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hi picked up a h&r handi with 4 barrels one of them is a 50 cal muzzle loader. Any one got one or used one ive not had any thing to do with muzzle loaders yet so hoping to get some tips on powder and projectiles that would be suitable and any other tips and info
How does a .50 cal muzzle loader work on the rifle? How do you ignite it? Photo?
its not a full on muzzle loader its based on a handi rifle set up its a factory option
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Honestly we want to see it.
well its not set up with the muzzle loader barrel currently its a 243 at the moment if you google the h&r site you should be able to see one cheers
The ignition will be along the inline design with a 209 shotgun primer
thanks for the info I need to get some of those and it uses black powder im not sure what type I should use or if there are different types. Also not sure if I use round balls or a bullet shaped projectile ill also have a look on greybeards as I don't think theres many of this kind of set up in nz
Does their web site not have the details for it?
no they don't make them any more
Without seeing it Im thinking its probably a inline muzzleloading barrel. It would have a pocket or nipple to fit a primer or percussion cap (proberbly No #11 caps) at the back end to ignite the powder when struck by the hammer, Right??.
Load it with 60 - 90 grains of Black powder 3F (FFF) or 2F(FF). F is a granuel size.
Take a rod and wind a patch of cloth around it and push it down the barrel and count how many times the rifeling turns the rod then work out how many turns it has to the inches.
To shoot patch and roundball it about 1 turn in 66 inches.
1 turn in 48in is a consession so will shoot Patched round ball or conical bullet. Its a inbetweener so accuracy is ok but not astounding.
About 1 turn in 32 inch is for Conical and sabbot bullets. Id start this one on 60 grains of Powder.
Love to see a photo of it!!
If you start shooting it with black powder, I just make my own and it as cheap as chips. Not sure as haven`t worked it out but think about $5 a kilo.
750grams Potasium nitrate, 150 grams willow charcole, 100 grams flowers of sulpher, 400ml?? stale urine (yeh I know bloody wonderful).
Run the lot through a sive SEPERATLY. Bring the potasium nitrate and Stale urine to the boil in a alloy pot (outside on a gas cooker).The potasium nitrate will desolve under the heat.
Having mixed the charcole and sulpher together well, add it slowly to the potasium nitrate and stir in well, Watch it dosn`t boil over.
Boil off some of the urine and keep stiring with a wooden stick untill about bread dough consistancy (10min).
Take it off the heat and the mix will harden as it cools. force it through a course kitchen sive and let it dry. Once you have made it you will understand what they mean by keep your powder dry. Just a bit of moisture and it isn`t great but have the powder dry and it works just like the bought stuff with good consistant shots. I get about 2 in groups at 50yds with my Thompson centre hawken flintlock (Flinchlock) it me flinching that causes the problems.
thanks that's really helpful info I think its a huntsman it uses the sb2 frame and its got a plastic primer holder so the hammer strikes the primer. I will try and get a pick up at some stage I haven't taken any pics of it yet its got a 204 ruger 223 and 243 barrels as well its set up with the 243 barrel at the moment and once I get that shooting well ill try the muzzle loader barrel next as they are the only two that intrest me. After using black powder do you need to wash the barrel out with boiling water I heard it corrosive
Have had a look around on the webb and you will need to prime it with 209 shotgun primer. To clean it just take the barrel off and stand it in a bucket of hot water and dishwash detergent. Use your rod and a patch of cloth and pump it up and down in the bucket. Run a few oily patches up and down the barrel on your rod as per normal barrel cleaning and its done. I just use engine oil.Quote:
Originally Posted by northdude
This rifles barrel will most probably be the tighter twist for conical or sabbot bullets. If you PM me at some stage I can post you a few
50cal roundballs and Minie bullets.
Casting roundballs and Minie bullets you want to use soft plumbers lead. On the Minie bullets I use axel grease for bullet lube and engine oil as patch lube for the roundball (patch lightly dampened). Cloth nappies make great bullet patch , only problem is you generally need to have kids to get the nappies!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I went to "spotlight"and got a mtr of pillow ticking,washed,and split into 2 inch strips.Lubed with LEE caselube.
You will need to experiment with different thickness of patch to get the best fit in your bore.
Homemade Black Powder - YouTube
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this guy is good if you can stand his comentry.
. Muzzleloaders are a 1:28” twist rate. from h&r site
from what I remember it takes shotgun primers and will run on black powder which you can buy from most gunshops or pirodex which is smokeless equivalent
the problem is the bullets its designed from my knowledge to fire stabbed slugs which are not easy to get in nz due to the fact no one shoots inline type muzzle loaders here you may be able to use a cast slug or a ball allough the twist rate will be way to fast for a ball you never know
I have balls and powder here if you wish to try with them
Use real black powder. Half the funs in the smoke :)
+1 however it has its disadvantages being salt based it will rust out barrels if your in the moist bush a few days and not cleaned every dayQuote:
Originally Posted by Toby
but im am and always will be a supporter of the real thing
the twist rate is 1:28 I think
Don't use pyrodex unless you want to clean an oil your barrel every week from then on to stop it rusting!Quote:
Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem
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Originally Posted by northdude
you could try a cast 50cal slug its about the right twist
ideal ball twist is 1:48 for a 50 cal however you wont fuck anything by trying it just wont be accurate you never know ive shot balls through fast twist slug rifles before with good success this was shot trough my 38 cal slug barrelled rifle with balls the twist is technically way to fast
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