muzzle brake vs suppressor for 7.62x39

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20-10-2018, 08:49 PM
Ben Waimata

muzzle brake vs suppressor for 7.62x39

I've just bought myself a SKK for goat control. It's got a muzzle brake on it, and man is it loud! Originally I was thinking I'd remove the brake and just use a thread protector. I've never been keen on a suppressor as my useage is short(ish) range pest control, and I thought I didn't want the hassle of the extra length. After firing off a few (30rd) mags with this rifle I'm now thinking a suppressor might not be such a bad idea. I'm only a few kms away from a beach settlement and maybe a bit less noise might be a good thing.

So my question is, how much quieter is the rifle likely to be with the brake removed, and is it worth going down the suppressor track given the pest control useage? The obvious answer is to try it and see, but unfortunately the MB is locked into place and I can't get it off, it needs to go to a gunsmith. If it proved too difficult to remove I was going to suggest just shortening the barrel slightly (which would help in the bush), but if I later want to get a suppressor then cutting off an already threaded barrel would be a really really dumb move. Any advice welcome!
20-10-2018, 08:56 PM
jim160

removing the muzzle brake wouldn't reduce overall noise but it would be a lot nicer for the user as all the noise will go anywhere other than directed back towards the user.
Suppressors are good and I would suggest getting one. Bonus for shooting at mobs of animals as it can distort where the shooter is, plus saves the hearing.

Just my thoughts anyway.
20-10-2018, 09:24 PM
Max Headroom

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Does yours look like this?

+1 for a suppressor. you'll be glad of it in the end.
20-10-2018, 09:41 PM
Ben Waimata

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Originally Posted by Max Headroom

Attachment 97255

Does yours look like this?

+1 for a suppressor. you'll be glad of it in the end.

Yep, very much like that! Although I am contemplating putting a choate dragonuv stock on it and trying to keep the original stock in good condition. You think the extra length of the suppressor will not be more hassle than it's worth for pest control?
20-10-2018, 09:59 PM
Max Headroom

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Originally Posted by Ben Waimata

Yep, very much like that! Although I am contemplating putting a choate dragonuv stock on it and trying to keep the original stock in good condition. You think the extra length of the suppressor will not be more hassle than it's worth for pest control?

I put a choate dragunov stock on my SKS. Much nicer.The pistol grip is much more natural and easy on the right hand.

I love short rifles myself, so I understand your reluctance to change the length of it.

It may be possible to get a gunsmith to take off the muzzle brake, remove the front sight and bayonet mount, and fit an over barrel suppressor.
This might add 6 inches to the overall length of the rifle.

Whether it's reasonably doable in terms of hassle and cost, I don't know. You'd have to talk to a gunsmith.

To start with removing the muzzle brake and screwing a thread protector on might not be a bad idea. I try to do the simple stuff first and see whether it makes a difference, then do something more complicated if it doesnt.
20-10-2018, 10:13 PM
Cordite

Interesting question. Hard to say either way, there are pros and cons to suppressors and to brakes, and to bare muzzles. But I agree, don't touch that hacksaw!

I'd consider leave the muzzle brake on and use with electronic ear muffs. You'd be advised to use the muffs with a suppressor too, unless using subsonics.

For multiple kills, what is most important are quick accurate follow-up shots. Consider that being under fire from a rifle induces confusion and panic on living targets, whether suppressed or not as it is not at all apparent where the shots emanate from. This ALSO applies to non-suppressed rifle fire.

If fired at with a rifle from any significant distance you will mainly hear the supersonic crack over, or somewhere near you. After that, you may hear the (quieter) report of the gun if it is non-suppressed and this report can be used to get a bearing on the shooter -- if you are a cool customer. But imagine the panic you'd be in!

The muzzle brake assists quick follow-up shots, and actually DOES give also you some advantage in making you harder to locate by the goats, even though that advantage is more ultimate with a suppressor than with a brake. Consider that the brake directs the greater part of muzzle blast noise sideways, and by the time this noise hits the mob of goats it is less easy to pinpoint where it comes from as it echoes off other things to your left and right. In other words, the bothersome extra noise in your face that you get from shooting with a muzzle brake on actually is also an advantage.
20-10-2018, 10:33 PM
Tankd

A muzzle brake does make it louder , without it is quieter but the cumulative effect of firing , even without the brake , many rounds will still send you deaf and you don't get your hearing back . And hearing aids are f$^*k%#g expensive .
Any suppressor will need to be made of steel etc because of rapid fire . I use a Waitaki which only adds 135mm and tames the bark , as for handling I don't even notice it there . And adding lenght is not an issue as I can it muzzle down over my shoulder , and the best stock to get for any SKS is the Choate it just works with the adjustable stock spacers .
20-10-2018, 10:36 PM
northdude

wouldn't the gas tube get in the way of an overbarrel
20-10-2018, 10:41 PM
Nugget connaisseur

Depends on the over barrel, so would pay to check or use Muzzle foward. Waitaki engineering do a Sks suppressor but its heavyish compared to the likes of DPT, ASE or Hardy.
20-10-2018, 10:42 PM
Max Headroom

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wouldn't the gas tube get in the way of an overbarrel

Thats the limitation with that idea. Looks to me that it would be doable, but I have been wrong on occasion.
20-10-2018, 10:51 PM
northdude

heavy would probably handle strings better
20-10-2018, 10:58 PM
Nugget connaisseur

Material would matter more than weight. Stainless vs aluminum.
21-10-2018, 12:10 AM
TheWuce

Rolling with a suppressor rarely has more downsides than upsides.

Fun fact: back in the day before the buyback a bunch of SKKs got imported in to Australia before people started figuring out they could convert them to fully automatic extremely easily. Imporation was quicky banned but safe to say not many of them got turned in during the buyback.
21-10-2018, 07:34 AM
Marty Henry

norinco ak, waitaki supressor on quietish, supressor off as loud as hell also the rocket exhaust effect with the ammo at dusk is tamed down. Get a supressor, ears everywhere will thank you.
21-10-2018, 08:06 AM
marky123

I forgot to swap my brake for my suppressor once...
21-10-2018, 08:14 AM
Ben Waimata

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Originally Posted by TheWuce

Fun fact: back in the day before the buyback a bunch of SKKs got imported in to Australia before people started figuring out they could convert them to fully automatic extremely easily. Imporation was quicky banned but safe to say not many of them got turned in during the buyback.

Yeah I've heard that too. Question is though, did they convert them to true automatic (ie a safe reliable firearm), or did they induce a slamfire-type malfunction (ie a dangerous accident waiting to happen)? From what I heard those rifles were more dangerous to the operator than to any potential targets, but maybe that was propaganda from the law. Not something I will ever try anyway.

Thanks for the replies everyone, is the Waitaki the suppressor to go for then? Not an unlimited budget unfortunately. Just to be clear, I'll be using ear protection every time I shoot no matter what I do (occupational deafness already), this question is for the sake of others, and not wanting to sound like WW3 is starting up in the hills.
21-10-2018, 08:25 AM
Max Headroom

Just to get a sense of what your rifle sounds like from a distance, is there anybody you could ask to listen or record at the edge of your property, or from where other people live?
21-10-2018, 08:50 AM
northdude

Ive got a mae on my ar they are heavy but thats because of the materials so should last better than a light weight one with strings fired through it im going to try a waitaki on partners ar as it looks like a good one that will handle high rates of fire
21-10-2018, 12:33 PM
csmiffy

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Originally Posted by TheWuce

Rolling with a suppressor rarely has more downsides than upsides.

Fun fact: back in the day before the buyback a bunch of SKKs got imported in to Australia before people started figuring out they could convert them to fully automatic extremely easily. Imporation was quicky banned but safe to say not many of them got turned in during the buyback.

yeah strange that. They always prattled on when I was there on how fucking amazing their gun laws were, but I also heard of bucket loads that went underground, were sold to others that didn't regard the new laws as important etc.
funnily enough I had an acquaintance years ago that worked out how to do exactly what you suggested. loads of fun but I can see why the military go through so much ammo to shoot someone
21-10-2018, 01:26 PM
Ben Waimata

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Originally Posted by csmiffy

yeah strange that. They always prattled on when I was there on how fucking amazing their gun laws were

Amazing good or amazing bad? I lived there pre-ban and in those days it was wild west all the way in some areas. My in-laws new farm on the NSW Central Tablelands is the kind of place you really need an SKK, my father-in-law is too old to watch all his crops getting wrecked while he is limited to a bolt action .223 to control pests.
21-10-2018, 03:02 PM
csmiffy

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Originally Posted by Ben Waimata

Amazing good or amazing bad? I lived there pre-ban and in those days it was wild west all the way in some areas. My in-laws new farm on the NSW Central Tablelands is the kind of place you really need an SKK, my father-in-law is too old to watch all his crops getting wrecked while he is limited to a bolt action .223 to control pests.

The authorities and media say how amazingly good they are.
NZ didn't do what they did and we are even allowed silencers.
The sky didn't fall, mass shootings didn't keep happening and assassinations didn't multiply.
It was a knee jerk reaction to go as hard as they could while the port Arthur tragedy was still raw. While they may have required to have some better regulation, it was a few steps too far and some of the muppetry ideas are making their way into our police hierarchy.
21-10-2018, 05:34 PM
Micky Duck

the wee Waitaki muzzle forward suppressors for this cartridge look to be just the ducks nuts.....as a bonus using suppressor you MIGHT well get off a couple or four shots BEFORE goats work out where you are shooting from...now if you get all flash and use a subsonic round first up they definately wont know where you are...piece of piss to load them up. mightnt cycle the semi but for a single goat would be ideal as the others around the corner wont hear a thing.