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Thread: NEW EXTREME LONG RANGE RECORD???

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    I've been following these Aussie folks for a while.



    4km shots. Not written with as much flourish as Americans who breathlessly say "sharpshooter hits targets" , just quiet Aussie dry humour and narration

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    Lol! I know @Kscott, I follow mark and Sam too, they shoot 4+kms at a 12x12" plate... or shall I say 24x24"?
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    They really irritate me these guys, anyone can hit a piece of steel a billion light years away if they sit there and plink away at it long enough, which is basically what these blokes do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst View Post
    They really irritate me these guys, anyone can hit a piece of steel a billion light years away if they sit there and plink away at it long enough, which is basically what these blokes do
    Same.

    I have always held the fore end when shooting prone with the elbow on the ground using a bipod for support. I tried using this "sniper" technique of not holding the fore end and putting that hand to support the butt. Ignoring the change in impact point de to barrel jump (as to be expected) my groups opened up by about 3x. Where I usually get about a 25mm group on an average day and 12mm on a good day at 100m, with the technique he was using my groups were closer to six or seven inches (between 6 and 12 times bigger. I know each of us uses the technique we are comfortable with, but he looks like an average shooter at best. That target was larger than 2 MOA Target was 96 inches and 1 MOA = 47.5 inches at 4500 yards) so the physical size of the target is within an average shooters ability to hold the rifle steady, but the complications are in the consistency and trajectory calculations. I suspect a decent varmint or practised shooter should be able to do similar or better with the same equipment and assistances that this shooter has. It is easy enough to hit a 2 MOA target, the hard part is where to point so the bullet travels that distance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst View Post
    They really irritate me these guys, anyone can hit a piece of steel a billion light years away if they sit there and plink away at it long enough, which is basically what these blokes do
    The Aussie Guy Mark is shooting at a target quite a bit smaller than the ones we were shooting at Tobys shoot, (610mm square) at well over twice as far as any one got a hit at Toby's shoot.

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    pfffft dundee does that with a 22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst View Post
    They really irritate me these guys, anyone can hit a piece of steel a billion light years away if they sit there and plink away at it long enough, which is basically what these blokes do
    Practice, practice, practice. How else does someone seeking to become proficient at something achieve their goal? Unless one's a suicide bomber... but I digress.
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    I guess that is why they have never found a school for those falla Ryan! All that practice and they forgot about location location location

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    Quietest ozys iv ever heard I like them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boaraxa View Post
    Quietest ozys iv ever heard I like them
    Well Boaraxa they reckon they have now developed a new generation of digital camera with a shutter speed so fast it can actually take a photo an an Aussie with his mouth shut.

    Isn't technology amazing

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    And sheep blocking capability for kiwis

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    Quote Originally Posted by timattalon View Post
    I have always held the fore end when shooting prone with the elbow on the ground using a bipod for support. I tried using this "sniper" technique of not holding the fore end and putting that hand to support the butt. Ignoring the change in impact point de to barrel jump (as to be expected) my groups opened up by about 3x. Where I usually get about a 25mm group on an average day and 12mm on a good day at 100m, with the technique he was using my groups were closer to six or seven inches (between 6 and 12 times bigger. I know each of us uses the technique we are comfortable with, but he looks like an average shooter at best. That target was larger than 2 MOA Target was 96 inches and 1 MOA = 47.5 inches at 4500 yards) so the physical size of the target is within an average shooters ability to hold the rifle steady, but the complications are in the consistency and trajectory calculations. I suspect a decent varmint or practised shooter should be able to do similar or better with the same equipment and assistances that this shooter has. It is easy enough to hit a 2 MOA target, the hard part is where to point so the bullet travels that distance.
    Horses for courses.... holding the fore end works well enough for just about any rifle but where the technique excels is with a lighter weight, heavier recoiling rifle and with a rifle that has a less than ridged fore end. The bipod and rear bag technique may not work as well for a lighter weight or less rigid stocked rifle but this technique is significantly steadier and more consistent with a heavier rifle. The bipod and rear bag technique still takes practice to master though as bipod tension and natural point of aim are still important. I see a lot of people that use it because they can hold the rifle steadier but are not proficient with it as they struggle for consistency.

    Makes me cringe to see people using bad shooting technique with light rifles, bipods and a rear support resulting in a rifle that bounces all over the place and nearly catching them in the face. Seen a few people do this then look up and ask "Did I hit it?".

    One last point, consistently hitting a 2MOA target at 100yards in a shifting mirage/wind is relatively easy. Consistently hitting a 2MOA target at 1000yards in a shifting mirage/wind is not achievable for the vast majority of shooters. At 4500 yards I imagine a 2MOA target looks tiny...

    Must be funny with a lab radar (like those Norwegian (?) guys did) to have time to type in the velocity after the shot is fired and tell the shooter he is going to miss before the bullet turns up at the target
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    In a practical sense it doesn't mean anything if they don't hit the target with the first shot what's the point, in the real world you generally get one chance to hit your target be it animal or human
    shooting boxes of ammo at a distant steel plate might be fun but is of little value, trying to dope the wind at 4500 metres is a matter of luck not skill,
    I have shot both full bore an F class at times you have the wind going in three directions between you and the target even at 600 metres what would it be at 4.5 Km,
    The top full bore and F class shooters can get a first shot centre hit on the target at 1000 yards but not every time, miss judge the wind by 3 MOA and you score a 2,
    If hunting an animal would try and shoot it at 4.5 Km or drive 4 Km closer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gillie View Post
    Horses for courses.... holding the fore end works well enough for just about any rifle but where the technique excels is with a lighter weight, heavier recoiling rifle and with a rifle that has a less than ridged fore end. The bipod and rear bag technique may not work as well for a lighter weight or less rigid stocked rifle but this technique is significantly steadier and more consistent with a heavier rifle. The bipod and rear bag technique still takes practice to master though as bipod tension and natural point of aim are still important. I see a lot of people that use it because they can hold the rifle steadier but are not proficient with it as they struggle for consistency.

    Makes me cringe to see people using bad shooting technique with light rifles, bipods and a rear support resulting in a rifle that bounces all over the place and nearly catching them in the face. Seen a few people do this then look up and ask "Did I hit it?".

    One last point, consistently hitting a 2MOA target at 100yards in a shifting mirage/wind is relatively easy. Consistently hitting a 2MOA target at 1000yards in a shifting mirage/wind is not achievable for the vast majority of shooters. At 4500 yards I imagine a 2MOA target looks tiny...

    Must be funny with a lab radar (like those Norwegian (?) guys did) to have time to type in the velocity after the shot is fired and tell the shooter he is going to miss before the bullet turns up at the target
    "At 4500 yards I imagine a 2MOA target looks tiny... "

    At 4500 yards the 2MOA target "Looks" exactly the same size as a 2moa target at 100. It takes up the same portion of our field of vision. If you hold up a 2moa target at 50 yards (very close to half an inch) and place it in the same line of sight so that it appears like it is beside the 4500 yard one then they will both look to be the same size. This is the whole point of angular measurements.

    The point I was making was the difficulties in hitting a target at that range are all about where to point the rifle. So for that you have to know all of the effects on the bullet as it travels down range and where it will hit. This takes a far better head for shooting than most are capable of as the further out you go the more calculations you need for the scope adjustments. Once the rifle is dialled correctly for all these variables then hold the cross hair on target and shoot. The resulting group size should then come down to the variables of the shooter. (Presuming that the other variables remain the same) If he is as good a shooter as the video makes him out to be then there is a variable that is changing as hos group size equates to missing a 2inch target at 100m. A lot of this could be with the ammo or the calculations.

    Try this for decent shooting instead....
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgt7HnpLqBs

    In a 2MOA scenario, his egg would have to be 20.8 inches diameter......

 

 

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