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    Thanks for posting this @Krameranzac... I admit I had done none of my own research on this.

    Sorry if I'm going over old ground here, and I get people's caution/healthy cynicism on real-life interpretation, but the wording is actually pretty clear.

    Taking Jusepy's example of blasting some clays or sighting in on a family/friends farm, which will hopefully apply to me very soon:

    While you are undertaking shooting activities ("using a firearm... for the purpose of shooting at inanimate targets..."), you are not doing it as part of a shooting club, or as a member of public, or on an area of designated land used... for the primary purpose of shooting at inanimate targets.

    Does anyone else read/interpret that differently?


    Section 38, Parts 6 and 7 (https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/...LMS256768.html)
    shooting activities—
    (a)
    means activities that are carried out using a firearm or an airgun for the purpose of shooting at inanimate targets (whether fixed or moving); but
    (b)
    excludes—
    (i)
    paintball shooting; and
    (ii)
    airsoft shooting
    shooting club means a voluntary association of people who—
    (a)
    act in accordance with a set of written rules; and
    (b)
    participate in, or intend to participate in, shooting activities on a regular basis
    shooting range—
    (a)
    means a facility (whether indoor or outdoor), or a designated area of land, used by a shooting club or members of the public for the primary purpose of carrying out shooting activities; and
    (b)
    includes any defence area (as that term is defined in section 2(1) of the Defence Act 1990) used by a shooting club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CBH Australia View Post
    It already applies in Australia.

    We are allowed to "sight in" on private property.

    If you want a private range it's going to have regulations.

    Be sensible about it and hope the police implement the laws with commonsense. It should not affect the majority or make it impossible. At least I don't think that's the intention.
    Use common sense and good judgement you should be ok.
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    Might apply to New South Wales but not to Victoria we can do as much shooting as we like over 3-hours.
    As Long as theres less than 10 people only thing we're not allowed to do is have permanent infrastructure .

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeah_na_missed View Post
    means a facility (whether indoor or outdoor), or a designated area of land, used by a shooting club or members of the public for the primary purpose of carrying out shooting activities;
    @yeah_na_missed,
    I think the Police interpretation is based upon that there is a comma after the word "land" and the fact there is not one after the word "public".

    So by their interpretation "used by a shooting club or members of the public for the primary purpose of carrying out shooting activities" has nothing to do with the primary land use - it has to do with for what primary purpose do "a shooting club or members of the public" use the land for. If they use the land for shooting then Police will considered it a range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gillie View Post
    @yeah_na_missed,
    I think the Police interpretation is based upon that there is a comma after the word "land" and the fact there is not one after the word "public".

    So by their interpretation "used by a shooting club or members of the public for the primary purpose of carrying out shooting activities" has nothing to do with the primary land use - it has to do with for what primary purpose do "a shooting club or members of the public" use the land for.
    Primarily use it for a BBQ and secondarily use it for sighting in, understood.
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    Don't forget to read other sections of the new proposals and provide feedback. Some of the wording in section 3.2.2 around those under 16 years old for example. Their recommendation is to completely stop those under 16 shooting on a range. Other option is they can shoot but not compete. Then if you can and read the question they ask that aligns with this, its wording can be interpreted that only children of Licences are eligible.

    There are some very poorly worded pieces in these regulations.

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    They aren't regulations yet and if we don't all get stuck in and point out the errors, unworkable suggestions and proposals that far out step what the act requires we are all buggered, club member or not.
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    Police Range Manual. This is what Police/Inspectors are using to assess ranges. There are very few who will pass muster without major works involved. Expect ranges to close wholesale. To the Shotgun/Clay Target Clubs, I hate to say it but "We told you so" when you threw all those nasty guns/owners under the bus. Welcome to the real world, I truly hope you survive. Many will not. To the small volunteer Clubs with no funding I feel for you all but the agenda is there for all to see now.

    https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def...anual-2022.pdf

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    Vote act in 2023
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    I see in the section headed"fees", there is provision for a $500 fee for 'one off use, clay target' or similar.
    My family run a yearly shoot on a family members farm, ourselves, our grown children, girlfriends, few friends sort of thing.
    Is this daily fee there for us?
    We shoot on one day on a clear flat piece of land,

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    SpecificallyI think it's designed to target the likes of GPRE type events etc it's unclear if you don't charge a fee or are considered a club if it would or could be applied not that that would stop them trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friwi View Post
    Vote act in 2023


    Act, with their announcements on Treaty issues, will struggle to be a member of any government.

    If you want to vote for an opposition party, and you think that's going to help, go for it.

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    @Gillie, keen to get your view on Section 10 - Ad-hoc Sighting-in from the doc above.

    This probably covers most of the previous "what about my situation" comments above... I read that and felt pretty comfortable that I would get arrested sighting in a rifle on a mate's/family members farm... but you seem to have a better understanding of what they say vs. what they mean. What were your thoughts? Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post


    Act, with their announcements on Treaty issues, will struggle to be a member of any government.

    If you want to vote for an opposition party, and you think that's going to help, go for it.
    I would tend to differ...it seems to me,a 27th generation Kiwi.....that they are making perfect sense.... the treaty was never about co-governance infact if I CAN BE SO BOLD...the very idea of co-governance reeks to high heaven of apartied ..you know the thing every one got so upset about in the 80s???
    people have different rules because of the colour of thier bum or who their granddady is said to be....also reeks of old school elitism .....
    like it or not NZ is a country with population made up of many many different people from many different places around the globe...for the majority of my 50 years on this earth we as a country have tried to live together as one people..... to try and seperate it is madness on a grand scale.

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    Just make up a patched jacket and shoot on the farm. Whilst wearing said patch.

    Cops won't even bother

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeah_na_missed View Post
    @Gillie, keen to get your view on Section 10 - Ad-hoc Sighting-in from the doc above.

    This probably covers most of the previous "what about my situation" comments above... I read that and felt pretty comfortable that I would get arrested sighting in a rifle on a mate's/family members farm... but you seem to have a better understanding of what they say vs. what they mean. What were your thoughts? Thanks!
    @yeah_na_missed, From the Police Shooting Range Manual Rev 1 (2022-03-03):
    Areas set up for and routinely used by the public for sighting-in will need to be certified as a range. However, sighting-in that is conducted as an ad-hoc or occasional shooting activity does not require the use of a certified range, if it can be carried out safely, whether on private or public land, for example:
    1. it is done by an individual or a small group of individuals (but not a shooting club); and
    2. they are doing sighting-in as an ad-hoc or occasional activity (such as, prior to a hunting trip, or pre-duck shooting season); and
    3. the public (or a club) do not access and use that area for sighting-in (for example, there are no established targets, or other indications that the area is used for shooting activities).
    In discussion with the Inspector running the Police Shooting Clubs and Ranges team:
    If the area is used regularly for sighting in (within every couple or three months), if there are targets left at the location, etc. then it is considered a range and subject to certification.

    I have asked Police to clarify "sighting in" because this section doesn't say anything about practicing, recreational shooting, plinking, etc.
    If you take your kids down on to the farm with a few targets for some fun every few months (and you do it safely, and there is not a complaint) then i don't see Police having anythign to do with that. If you leave the targets up "permanently" and are down there every month then i can see Police wanting certification.

    In writing, I think the Police are trying to align with their interpretation of the definitions of a Range in the Act while appreciating that certifying every instance of anyone shooting at an inanimate object is practically impossible. In practice, i can't see Police arresting and prosecuting people for sighting in unless you were doing it in an unsafe way and there was a complaint. If you were sighting in safely and there was a complaint (and you weren't a dick about it) then i think Police would take an "educational" approach and either be happy or simply advise you to apply for range certification.

    So regarding, Section 10 - i think Police have given themselves enough of a vague definition such that they can apply some judgement in practice.


    In @Peteforskeet example - i think Police would interpret that as needing certification because it sounds like a bit of an organsied event for his family / friends.
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