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I will take one ,
Trailer looks stunning
Cheers Chris
Me too plse if I haven't said in another thread
I will take one as well please.
Friwi
Such accents!
Serious post: this is an excellent DVD for the beginner (and more "experienced" shooter too - don't think you're above learning!). It covers in a simple and straightforward manner all the basic information, processes and skills required to hit practically sized targets at realistic ranges. There's no information overload or excessive gadgetry. Definitely worth watching to demystify long range and make it accessible to everyone. Also, Norwegian accents.
Silly post :
I shot two 3 shot groups yesterday, one after speaking to the dog in a kiwi accent, and a second group after speaking to the dog in a Norwegian accent having eaten some dried salt cod.
The second group was tight as !!
Tim
The DVDs arrived this morning :cool:
I will get hold of everyone that ordered one this week & get them organised :)
Excellent , look forward to getting it .
Cheers Chris
PMs have been sent to those who asked for a copy.
If I have missed you out feel free to let me know.
not a bad video, will have to watch it a second time :)
Shhhhhh I didn't want to say that ;)
Ahhh........he says wisely, finger tapping nose.:)
Thomas,
Well done on the video, definitely worth watching, and a very interesting / practical approach to long range shooting.
Couple of questions / comments:
In the wind section and the mountain section, I found that the English subtitles displayed on top of the original annotation - so difficult to read.
Also in the wind section @ 1:26:25, you talk about clicks. Are these clicks 1/4 MOA or 1/10 MilRad ? The subs-titles mention 4 clicks = 1 MOA, but up to that point everything in the video was 0.1 milrad click, so 4 of those would be 1.35 MOA...
Liked the fist measurement of incline, will definitely be using that one :thumbsup:
Next question:
In the wind section, you compare 6.5x55 to 308. At around 1:24:40, you say that at 800m with 2m/s wind, your rule of thumb gives 18 clicks.
18 (0.1mil clicks) = 1.8 milrad = +/- 6 MOA
I've had a look at my windage tables and to need 6 MOA windage adjustment at 900yds (closest I have to 800m) the wind would need to be 8 mph or about 3.5 m/s.
So not sure what projectile you were using for 308, but that does not match the windage data I am using to shoot long range competitions (155gr Scenar @ 3020 fps).
Also ran some tests on JBM Ballistics for (using wikipedia speeds ;))
.308 155 Amax @ 910 m/s for full value 2m/s wind = 11 clicks @ 800m
.308 155 SMK @ 910 m/s for full value 2m/s wind = 10 clicks @ 800m
.264 100 Amax @ 970 m/s for full value 2m/s wind = 11 clicks @ 800m
.264 120 SMK @ 860 m/s for full value 2m/s wind = 13 clicks @ 800m
Maybe I am missing something obvious, but can't see the massive difference between the 2 calibers...
All seems like a dam good reason not use a 308 at range with drift like that a @veitnamcam :D
Taking cover now.
Anyone using 155 150gr out of a 308 for long range is a dick.
Gotta love internet experts.
Um, ok then :wtfsmilie:
VC, I use 155gr Lapua Scenars out to 1000yds, they seem to kill paper targets just fine...
Niblet, I think the 155gr restriction on FTR has either already been lifted or is about to disappear. I get the Scenars at a very good price, so will probably keep shooting them. The twist in the Omark is also 1:14, which limits how heavy I can go.
Keen to hear Norway's answer, like I said, I might be missing something, but the question is genuine.
Also 100gr - 120gr projectiles are light weight in a 6.5mm for long range
The Vid is targeted, I thought at extending the range one can ethicly take game, I could be wrong?
Ebf would you not use a ballisticly superior game proven projectile for game?
The DVD is about fundamentals (position, trajectory confirmation, wind calling, valley shooting and inclines) of long range shooting, they shoot paper, gongs and rocks (no animals). Have you watched it ?
Game bullet for game, doh - of course, but what does that have to do with my initial question ?
It's kinda like asking if you would use a game projectile for target or gong shooting if a much better non-game option exists...
Yes I have watched it.
Not being a competitive target shooter confined by rules I say use the best tool for the job Ie the highest bc projectile that will still provide terminal performance.
And in the case of 308 win lr hunting with 150gr is being a dick.
Is that better?
All i took from that section was that info.was givem as examples to help with developing rules of thumb for your load. Mines looking like range-3 to around 8-900. Run your figures for.your projectile through your programme. Write them.down fpr the ranges and observe the pattern. The percentage of value for wind angle will transfer across whatever your rule eventuates to.
So I guess you don't want some Berger 155gr VLD Hunting pills then :D
What if you had a 1:13 twist barrel on your hunting rifle ? Would you still insist on a heavier projectile ?
I want to know what sort of paper he printed onto fpr his turrets. Like the idea of the turrets set to ranges and used in cpnjunction with the card he had. No electrics to go flat on extended trips into the hills
They also.state quite clearly in the dvd at the end they have been dealing with practical long range shooting technique. Discussion of appropriate projectile and projectile performance is a whole nother subject to.potentially be looked at in another dvd.
Yes DS, all I am asking is what the actual data is that sits behind the rule-of-thumb he mentions for windage on 6.5x55 vs 308. No matter what I enter into a ballistics calc, I cannot get a similar picture... It also does not match the real-world data I have collected while logging wind corrections doing target shooting at longer ranges.
This showed how to do it in excel kind of...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igmIslhusgs
Yeah but its the type of sticker paper to use that will be waterproof
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Great dvd Norway, congratulations on what is a clear, concise introduction to LR shooting.
Reminds me that I need to get out and practice more often with my 6.5 rather than rely on high bc out of a big magnum. Time for a load up for the wee 6.5 I think
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The answer is in the instructions? The extra material has a detailed step by step showing how to make these thumbrules for your specific cartridge.
Just returned from IWA. Will answer more later.
Yes, you are wrong. It is for ordinary hunters wanting to try longrange shooting, with all the assosciated problems with non-specific gear, lacking infrastructure etc. No thought given to selection, the students were told to come as-is with whatever and learn to use that with whatever limitations the gear imposed. Undoubtedly, some hunters will use it for game. They would have done this regardless of this film and likely after reading some shady internet voodoo, so better give them a whack and get some circulation up there. If you do it, at least do it properly.
Clicks: Both 1/4 MOA and 0.1 MRAD - it doesn't matter.
Watch the extra material with the detailed instructions. We are not showing rules for THE 308 or THE 6,5x55 but THAT SPECIFIC 308 load and THAT SPECIFIC 6,5x55 load. You use your specific load in your own ballistic app to see the specific pattern/ thumbrule in the click/range relation for your specific rifle/cartridge combo. If you want to call it "MOA" or "MRAD" instead of "clicks" it really doesn't matter - it is just an easy way to put a complete ballistic table into a shooters head. Remember ONE sentence and you'll find any windage click value.
Use selfadhesive foil. Buy the expensive -40/+150 Celsius chemical resistant/ UV proof or specify that to a print shop. Use equally expensive laminate and seal. It should now take more abuse than the shooter can.