Range Etiquette (or lack thereof)

Well, just getting over the lurgy, so I thought I would trot out to the local NZDA range to function test 2 rifles (SKS with a poly mag, and a Norinco Bushmaster 7.62X39 bolt action, newly purchased). Arrive there, to find a target shooter testing the new barrel on his very expensive looking piece of kit. Exchange the usual polite hellos, and get myself set up. Ran the target boards out, and then we start shooting. First up is the Bushmaster. Cycles well, but not quite ejecting every spent round. Halfway thru the mag I get the feeling I am being watched. Look over and the other gent has parked himself on the next bench to eyeball what I am doing. Hmmm, only a little bit spooky..

Back to finishing that mag, make the rifle safe, and we agree to look at the targets. Back from the targets, and I load up for the next set. Only just get the 5th round in the mag, and the other gent asks if its OK to bring his targets back. OK. He walks halfway up then comes back & says he will throw another 10 down the range. No worries, so to let the Bushamaster cool, I pick up the SKS and function test the new mag - yay! no last round vertical!.:D Other gent wanders up range to retrieve his target. I meet him halfway, and congratulate him on the nice grouping.

I wander back after seeing 2 virgin target boards (hmmm....). :oh noes:Then another bloke turns up, and proceeds to yarn to the first bloke about target shooting. I load up the SKS mag again while I wait for them to finish. Mag full, Bushmaster mag full.. still yakking. Then a third bloke turns up, who is also apparently a target shooter. He brings his flash piece of kit out and then the 3 gents proceed to yak away about Australian champs, barrel floating, and various other target shooting stuff that bores the hell out of the average bush hunter.

So, 10 minutes later, I am still standing, waiting politely for them to finish. :omg:(My mum impressed upon me the correct use of manners when I was a wee fella). So I count the rounds left, rearrange the gear box, fiddle with my earmuffs, but another 10 minutes and the circle jerk session hasn't finished!.:drool::drool:

So, a quick squizz at the time, and, shit, I need to get back home. Start to pack up, unloading the mags, removing bolts, making everything safe, and still the yakka is going on.. They were still going strong when I left..

My question is, if its obvious that someone wants to throw some lead down the range, and you want to exercise your jaw muscles, would it not be polite to fuck off somewhere else and let them have at it?

FFS, I was at the range for 1.5 hours, and only threw 12 rounds down range.:pissed off::pissed off::pissed off:

Just politely ask them to relocate so you can continue what you came to do?

Common sense isn't common

Have you considered politely approaching them and saying "excuse me chaps, I'd like to fire a few more rounds, do you mind putting on your hearing protection?" instead of waiting til later to complain on the internet?

I know at our range , if you want to shoot and people are standing close .... you yell out "eyes and ears" and let them fuk off or put on eyewear and earmuffs .... they can wander away and carry on their yap session .

I've had that at Upper Hutt as well. I said to them one day that I was going to shoot and they didn't show much interest. I said they should put ear muffs on but they still didn't care and kept talking. They put them on after I fired the 30-338 win mag with the muzzle brake. They even got upset cause it was loud.
Maybe they should have put their ear muffs on like I said.
If the range is open, then hearing protection should be worn.

If they were yacking at the safe end of the range and the shooting range was clear then your fine to shoot in my book.

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Originally Posted by Nibblet

Just politely ask them to relocate so you can continue what you came to do?

Common sense isn't common

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That's all that is needed, in all facets of life.:P

Signed - Boring Target Shooter (who is very tolerant of other types of shooters but will probably look sideways at all SKS owners in the future as it appears my style of shooting has been pidgeon holed).

Also, on our range, if there are more than 1 shooter someone has to except the RO's role to control safety and to keep things moving.

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Originally Posted by stumpy

I know at our range , if you want to shoot and people are standing close .... you yell out "eyes and ears" and let them fuk off or put on eyewear and earmuffs .... they can wander away and carry on their yap session .

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+1

Had some dick head at Taupo a few months ago with a semi auto, he had an 1800 sq white target erected and nearly drove me nuts standing there unloading mags as quick as he could. Its a rifle range FFS and if you want to do shit like that find a a friendly quarry or such, makes it hard when your wanting to sight in a rifle.

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Originally Posted by stumpy

I know at our range , if you want to shoot and people are standing close .... you yell out "eyes and ears" and let them fuk off or put on eyewear and earmuffs .... they can wander away and carry on their yap session .

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They're big enough to gain a FAL, they're big enough to decide when to put on ear protection/move.

I would have (politely) asked them to move etc so you could continue shooting, it is after all why you are there it is a rifle range, not a knitting circle....

I spend plenty of time at our NZDA range making tons of noise. :)

I'm always careful with making sure guys have their hearing protection on before I fire, especially when there are kids around.

Its amazing how many people show up with none....."only shooting a 22"....

Under the roof supers are loud enough without someone else on one of the other 19 benches using with a centre fire or with a braked cannons :thumbsup:

I went to a range, last week, to do some testing.

About 1/2 way through I turned round to find another shooter had parked himself on other side of the bay with a spotting scope to watch. Didn't really mind as I was only testing, but did think it was kind of rude to park himself in my bay without waiting to ask first.

Shoot 4 x 10 shot groups at less than 1 MOA at 100 yards for each group. Wasn't testing accuracy but was satisfied with it.

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Originally Posted by Maca49

Had some dick head at Taupo a few months ago with a semi auto, he had an 1800 sq white target erected and nearly drove me nuts standing there unloading mags as quick as he could. Its a rifle range FFS and if you want to do shit like that find a a friendly quarry or such, makes it hard when your wanting to sight in a rifle.

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People want to do different things at a rifle range, whether you like/understand what they're doing or not doesn't mean it's not a legitimate use of the facility

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Originally Posted by gimp

People want to do different things at a rifle range, whether you like/understand what they're doing or not doesn't mean it's not a legitimate use of the facility

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I agree but its a great way to stuff the traps and boards, I think a range officer may have moved him on. I left as I cannot concentrate with that going on.

The range I use was packed out on Sunday but everything went well, Bit of a hassle with ppl showing up just after everyone had put targets up but once we were all settled in things were good. I'll try to just go in bad weather though, lots less people around.

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Originally Posted by Maca49

Had some dick head at Taupo a few months ago with a semi auto, he had an 1800 sq white target erected and nearly drove me nuts standing there unloading mags as quick as he could. Its a rifle range FFS and if you want to do shit like that find a a friendly quarry or such, makes it hard when your wanting to sight in a rifle.

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Double up on hearing protection, keep doing what you were doing.

Take over as RO problem solved

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You guys are nuts! I pay my bucks, live 1.85 hours away, treat the range with respect and go home! I'm old and very selfish!:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Daggers_187

Double up on hearing protection, keep doing what you were doing.

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I'm deaf! It's the muzzle blast that pisses me!

A little mag dump never hurt anyone ;) kinda something to expect at a gun range. Reminds me or those guys who give you dirty looks because you whip out an Ecat AK or something similar

Bugger.

Our range has a sign that eye and ear protection must be worn at all times. I have been caught out by being stupid recently and my one good ear rang for a week.

We seem to only have issues with untidy pricks. They shoot the shit out of everything and just hang it back up in the target shed for someone else to clean up.
Pull all the patches out of the dispenser box and leave a tangled mess.
Never clean up their .22 brass etc.


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Shit, same guys are using our range! Went there on Sat morning and found target frames had been left up from previous day. Strong overnight wind had blown paper facings all around the range. Piles of shot gun hulls on the ground - how f....n hard is it to pick that up?
Recently some morons have drilled some of the 22RF silhouettes with centrefire. Wot is it with people, we're they all excessively mothered during their upbringing?

if you decide to shoot rubbish, ie empty cans, bottles yada yada yada............ clean up your mess when you are done eh. :D

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Originally Posted by misha2001

Well, just getting over the lurgy, so I thought I would trot out to the local NZDA range to function test 2 rifles (SKS with a poly mag, and a Norinco Bushmaster 7.62X39 bolt action, newly purchased). Arrive there, to find a target shooter testing the new barrel on his very expensive looking piece of kit. Exchange the usual polite hellos, and get myself set up. Ran the target boards out, and then we start shooting. First up is the Bushmaster. Cycles well, but not quite ejecting every spent round. Halfway thru the mag I get the feeling I am being watched. Look over and the other gent has parked himself on the next bench to eyeball what I am doing. Hmmm, only a little bit spooky..

Back to finishing that mag, make the rifle safe, and we agree to look at the targets. Back from the targets, and I load up for the next set. Only just get the 5th round in the mag, and the other gent asks if its OK to bring his targets back. OK. He walks halfway up then comes back & says he will throw another 10 down the range. No worries, so to let the Bushamaster cool, I pick up the SKS and function test the new mag - yay! no last round vertical!.:D Other gent wanders up range to retrieve his target. I meet him halfway, and congratulate him on the nice grouping.

I wander back after seeing 2 virgin target boards (hmmm....). :oh noes:Then another bloke turns up, and proceeds to yarn to the first bloke about target shooting. I load up the SKS mag again while I wait for them to finish. Mag full, Bushmaster mag full.. still yakking. Then a third bloke turns up, who is also apparently a target shooter. He brings his flash piece of kit out and then the 3 gents proceed to yak away about Australian champs, barrel floating, and various other target shooting stuff that bores the hell out of the average bush hunter.

So, 10 minutes later, I am still standing, waiting politely for them to finish. :omg:(My mum impressed upon me the correct use of manners when I was a wee fella). So I count the rounds left, rearrange the gear box, fiddle with my earmuffs, but another 10 minutes and the circle jerk session hasn't finished!.:drool::drool:

So, a quick squizz at the time, and, shit, I need to get back home. Start to pack up, unloading the mags, removing bolts, making everything safe, and still the yakka is going on.. They were still going strong when I left..

My question is, if its obvious that someone wants to throw some lead down the range, and you want to exercise your jaw muscles, would it not be polite to fuck off somewhere else and let them have at it?

FFS, I was at the range for 1.5 hours, and only threw 12 rounds down range.:pissed off::pissed off::pissed off:

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dude - apply yourself

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Originally Posted by Tussock

Relax, not everyone has to be assertive. Asking to move would have worked but its not everyone.

I recall enormlus stacks of newspaper left at the Dunedin range ........

I liked the NZDA range in Dunedin when it was a forum range. We completely dominated it. Some officious NZDA would be range officer would come and bark orders and everyone would blatantly ignore them. Carlsen Highway would greet everyone and get everyone relaxed and yarning. Funniest part was when officious would be RO is at the back and people are giving Carlsen H the money. Regardless of what they shouted people would look to CH for when to shoot or get targets till the RO gave up.

Always plenty of interesting brass in the mud.

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im relaxed - i didnt spend 1.5 hours at a range to shoot 12 rounds..............................

im lucky, i just to to my back hay paddock.Dont have anyone telling me when to shoot or not.Ha Ha

At our local rage, if they are chatting etc, and I want to fire, I simply call out, "You may want to put your ears on. I'm gonna make some noise....". If they dont put their muffs onthey have nothing to complain about as the rules clearly state they should b worn at all times and they were told. It is a gun range not a cafe...

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Originally Posted by Tussock

I was talking to the others.

You just finished telling us you spent 1.5 hours at the range to shoot 12 rounds.

The rest of us, would have called out "hey guys, I'm going to shoot".

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That wasn't him that was the opening poster.

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Same as what was said before, shout out 'eyes and ears' if no one is currently shooting and I am about to. If thats not common at your range then something that is obvious to them.

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Originally Posted by Tussock

I was talking to the others.

You just finished telling us you spent 1.5 hours at the range to shoot 12 rounds.

The rest of us, would have called out "hey guys, I'm going to shoot".

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...............................? special kind of special right there

They were talking about their hobby and got carried away, so its not a crime, but son, you have to speak up for yourself.

Next time you turn around and you say "Range is hot you jokers." and then you go and do what your going to do, and expect to be obeyed. You just took over.

I do know what you mean though. I have had similar experiences at pistol club, which is dominated by black rifle posers. You shouldn't have to, but this is life and sometimes you have to stand up to speak.

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Originally Posted by Carlsen Highway

They were talking about their hobby and got carried away, so its not a crime, but son, you have to speak up for yourself.

Next time you turn around and you say "Range is hot you jokers." and then you go and do what your going to do, and expect to be obeyed. You just took over.

I do know what you mean though. I have had similar experiences at pistol club, which is dominated by black rifle posers. You shouldn't have to, but this is life and sometimes you have to stand up to speak.

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i loves me black rifle ........ loves it ....

It's even more interesting when people only take ear plugs as their rifles are suppressed, and then complain how loud unsuppressed rifles are.

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Originally Posted by jim160

It's even more interesting when people only take ear plugs as their rifles are suppressed, and then complain how loud unsuppressed rifles are.

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Or even worse, the ones who don't have any earpro as they just have a suppressed .22 and subs.

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Originally Posted by res

Or even worse, the ones who don't have any earpro as they just have a suppressed .22 and subs.

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And then they expect you to sit there until they have finished and leave and not shoot cause they don't have hearing protection.

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Originally Posted by jim160

And then they expect you to sit there until they have finished and leave and not shoot cause they don't have hearing protection.

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Eyes and ears at all times where I go. Paddock ranges are just plugs usually. Only problem I've had was with someone using a braked rifle outside the shooting tunnel.But once it was explained all was good.