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Gottcha on that. The soil type is quite fine, so a bit worried about fines migration, gumming up just rock drains. Plus we have a few metres that may be going to be 'donated' .....Quote:
Originally Posted by 308
I think in may try and put some trench's on the plan with slopes etc and try and figure it out a bit more scientifically than just a scratch in the ground later.
Another user group / stakeholder you might consider adding.
Corporate events and hiring of the facility for 1/2 & 1 day blocks. Range utilization and conferencing.
Have you considered running a shop on site?
Both very good ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dangerous Dan
As far as the fines migrating through to the trenches goes, can you have sumps at intervals which can be dug out every year or three?
There are plenty of ways to skin a cat - if the trenches have sloping bottoms towards the downhill, are say 200mm+wide and filled with bigger stones eg AP40/70 (like in concrete retaining walls) on the bottom and cheaper 20mmdown or pea metal on top then you should be fine. Again, a local contractor with experience will know what works and what doesn't so their experience would be best
As for sumps, a trench of peametal tends to pour out of any cut so the best sump may be a plastic 44gal drum with a liftable concrete lid on top but that costs more money. Plastic drums make great silt traps though
As far as the fines migrating through to the trenches goes, can you have sumps at intervals which can be dug out every year or three?[/QUOTE]
Trying to work on the conference type thing. Things like company offsite planning sessions, workshops etc.... use the club rooms, end of day a few 'shooting' guys turn up and all can have a shot, then a 'fanta' and off. It all depends on the type of club rooms that get put there (read - how many dollars spent)
The shop one is prob not going to be a flyer, as the location doesn't really suit. However for competitions, we could have a area for vendors to set up in.
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Originally Posted by Dangerous Dan
I think you and 308 are on it, Sumps and dig out when needed.
I would think that they would need to be dug out often for a start, but then would settle in after a few good rains etc..
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Originally Posted by Tommy
If you are worried about drainage material contamination ,all that is required is a decent blinding layer,of sand, on top of the Pea metal /GAP 6 (I forget what exactly).But remember drains do not last forever and it is possible to blast out/clean out pipe drainage.
Have you looked at a wet trap rather sumps? More expensive up front but pay for themselves over time. Your location sounds rural so, might not be viable.
So, ground drainage should now be sorted.....
Overhead baffles are not. So my thinking is i want to design to .50bmg. Reason being that, to span 30m and minimise how many, we need the baffles to be thick and high. Cost is a factor. Steel beams clad with wood (steel to hold it up and wood for penetration and splator) vers concrete (for penetration concrete, wood for splator), concrete seems to win. 300mm thick, 50mm air gap and 50-100mm pine (read 100x100 fence post) wood clad.
Any thoughts? Want the highest calbre / energy possible, but vers users etc....
Gottcha on that. Looks like a big rock trench with pipe will be the way, with top layer sand/fines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tankd
And a few sumps to be dug out........
Your correct, dont think it would work for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dangerous Dan
Sediment gravity traps will be the way. Mixed in with trench gravel selection and pipes....
Ie a real pain in the arse.... :)
Bit of a updated plan.
Couple of changes to add in another range (30m wide by 60 long), sorted some berm height issues, etc..
Still haven't got the baffles drawn in (basic outline done of where and how big though, and we should be certified up to 7000 joules - still need the detail design done to confirm the thickness which will determine final joule level) or the range buildings...... but should be soon.
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Dirt being moved now...
Drooling...Makes me wanna move south (Home)
So some small changes -
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Very impressed with the rapid progress on this.. the sooner we can transition from the old range the better. Thanks for all your work. :)
Still ALOT to do......
But site is looking really good:)
It'll still be a while away for the 100 and 200(maybe 300....) ranges though and the indoor range. Bloody money......
Latest, now the 200m range is going to be out to 300m......
Sorry I don't mean to hijack your thread, but I had a good laugh and it is a similar topic:
Planning dispute as gun club moves in next door to Wairarapa organic farm | Stuff.co.nz
Reminded me of this next link. I am glad we have good property rights and a few neighbors having a sook can't ruin it for the larger firearms community.
Pistol range in neighbours' sights | Stuff.co.nz
Thats fantastic news. Cant wait to get some lead down range!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaker
Bloody rain......
Bit of a delay now due to HV cant get into site, but still looking great.
Bit of a question, what type of floor of range is the preferred? Grass, astroturf, etc....
Something that doesn't swallow your brass.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaker
Hear you on that! :)
To allow prone shooting without doing extra work to keep the projectile containment. you could have larger/extra benches that people can climb ontop and shoot prone from. Keeping them up off the ground and within the normal shooting angles
Either or. But as you said if they are permanent benchs they will take up alot of space. Even having 1 or 2 down the end would be good. Or design a removable top/cover for the standard benchs.Quote:
Originally Posted by small_caliber
Sorry, should have been a bit more specific on the range floor question. Just meaning for the short/pistol ranges.Quote:
Originally Posted by small_caliber
The longer and general site will be grassed/tussocks/natives etc.....
Benches, I think there will be a bit of a mix of fixed and moveable - to allow for the most usage of the range. Thanks for the doc link to the various shapes, types etc., a good concise summary doc.
Point taken about the bench to go prone on, but is already discounted as to much of a risk (ie IF someone was to shoot from the floor/ground, there would be no baffle protection - I know they'd be not following rules etc., but IF something did leave the range not a good thing for anyone, so hence full baffles from floor to standing height.)
Yes there will be a cost, in the form of a membership. And yes there will be a process to go through to allow you to use the range at any time etc.... Still working these out.
I think he's just meaning baffles to handle shooting anywhere from floor to standing. :)
Yeap, reading wrong. I was meaning that shooting heights from floor to standing postion, will have baffle protection. 1.8m from bottom edge of baffle to firing line pad floor, which is about .3-.6m above the range floor. So about 2-2.4m under baffles to range floor, so dont have to duck head if walking up rangeQuote:
Originally Posted by small_caliber
Some progress after wet weather delays -
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I wouldnt put astro turf on any part of a range that is going to have targets sitting on it. Especialy with ipsc being shot there. Keep it simple. Grass.
Close to the shooters I would consider concrete or asphalt so that the brass can be swept up provided it is not in the cone of fire.
Further out and keeping in mind that you don't want to track it back into the clubroom lime can be a really good choice as it packs down hard and costs sod-all
Big brother is watching -https://www.google.co.nz/maps/place/Aorangi+Rd,+Washdyke,+Timaru+7973/@-44.3466737,171.2663428,785m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x6d2ce98ca443d941:0x107a3 db1f41fc836
Now on Google Earth.
So had a very friendly over flight, and they just happened to have a camera -
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No real change in dirt works for a while, due to some unfortunate circumstances......
Certification underway now for the 2 short ranges, and general site.
Hopefully shooting by Xmas....
It's a real credit to the people involved, and more so to the contractors, authorities and suppliers, that it's got this far in the time frames and cost.
Congratulations to the peopld involved in this great project, i had the oportunity to visit the site from outside and everything looks amazing, i hope one of these days i can go for a shooting in such great and safe enviroment
mac
Is the whatawhata range running?
Unfortunate circumstances sorted, and more dirt coming in. Also more money raised......
Still waiting on the paper work for the first 2, but sometime soon (ie no idea when it'll be through.....)
Was hoping to shoot it by Xmas 2015, but it might be a 2016 task. Still, it's only been about 12 months from having no land, let alone design or money to what it is now, so a big ups for all involved.
looking bloody great. cant wait to get down and see it for real
Yes but not often.Quote:
Originally Posted by matto1234
Looking at January now for shooting.
Congratulations guys, job well done. I been there(outside) and with my partner overlook the place as suggested by @Beaker and it looks great.Quote:
Originally Posted by StrikerNZ
Keep the great work, thank you Timary district council, police and all the other involved for the support.
Mac
So web site is in a first release now....
Aorangi Range
AND now the range is accepting people to sign up for membership
AND it has certification for the first 2 short ranges, and should be shooting them in 2 weeks time (in a rather muddy way....)
AND the 100m range should be up and running in a few months
Suggestions for the web site content are more then welcome
