Shooting: The sport all of us enjoy - do your part in preserving the ability to do so

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According to the labour party face book page it is National and the Maori party that are making these new laws not Mr Nash!

LoL "paws".

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Be very very quiet. I'm hunting wabbits.

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LoL "paws".

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Wait till they classify double barrels as restricted due to the number of sawn offs in criminal hands.

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More correctly, it's a sad fact in this country that so many Kiwi's abuse others and the majority turn a blind eye. Psychological abuse, child abuse, bullying, violence, it's just a factor of strength I think that the majority of damage is perpetrated by males IMO. The numbers of women twisting the legal system in cases of seperation, or using controlling behaviours towards their ex by threatening to report for abuse of the children is a serious and growing issue. I actually suspect it's a systemic issue with the social policy system, if you get a chance to talk shop with a social worker get them to give their trained opinion on domestic violence. They are invariably conditioned to refer to the female as the victim and the male as the offender or the abuser, it's how they are trained. Until we sort that systemic ignorance of the real issues out we are not going to sort the problem out.

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This is not something I have turned my mind to previously, however I saw this last weekend. Witnessed a car pull up, male and female got out. Female was screaming at the male got right up to him and then grabbed his face with one hand, the guy pushes her away and starts walking away, female followed him and punches him in the back of the head and this happens a few more times. They see me approahing them and my wife on the phone and the female gets back in the car and drives off. I talk to the guy and he seems ok. My wife was talking to the police call centre and the odd thing was that they were taking far more interest in what he was doing "is following her?", "did he push her to the ground?" "Has he hit her" "whats he doing now" even asked for his description and the description of his car (that she drove off in) before asking for a descrition of her.

While I understand that they were confirming his actions in case of a he says she says but my wife said it felt like an uphill battle to get across that she was attacking him and he was trying to walkaway.

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This is not something I have turned my mind to previously, however I saw this last weekend. Witnessed a car pull up, male and female got out. Female was screaming at the male got right up to him and then grabbed his face with one hand, the guy pushes her away and starts walking away, female followed him and punches him in the back of the head and this happens a few more times. They see me approahing them and my wife on the phone and the female gets back in the car and drives off. I talk to the guy and he seems ok. My wife was talking to the police call centre and the odd thing was that they were taking far more interest in what he was doing "is following her?", "did he push her to the ground?" "Has he hit her" "whats he doing now" even asked for his description and the description of his car (that she drove off in) before asking for a descrition of her.

While I understand that they were confirming his actions in case of a he says she says but my wife said it felt like an uphill battle to get across that she was attacking him and he was trying to walkaway.

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It is always they guys fault when dealing with the police/justice system. My friend has been threw absolute hell because he impregnated a crazy woman, finally it looks like he will get full custody after she has spent 6 years screwing up a young boy.:oh noes:

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It is always they guys fault when dealing with the police/justice system. My friend has been threw absolute hell because he impregnated a crazy woman, finally it looks like he will get full custody after she has spent 6 years screwing up a young boy.:oh noes:

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Try applying for child support as a male and see how they treat you. Takes sometime for them to understand you are not a male trying to slide out of paying but just want some of your tax paying money taken off their bludging benefit 😀 (I have fully custody) , the money amount is nominal, less than a packet of cigarettes a week but a fun exercise never the less .

Back to the topic of thread

Looking right back to the Heather Du Plessis Allan staged stunt and where this was likely driven from. This has been a well planned political agenda by a certain association and organization.

Dirty politics of misinformation, lying to public through main stream media, secret submissions it certainly hasn't happened overnight with a clearly driven objective from the people driving it.

Personally I think they have miscalculated as although they managed to get through simular laws on the back of an unfortunate mass killing in their previous home country. They might have tried to take to big a bite of changing the laws in this country in the same way due to arrogance and not understanding much of our history and culture.

Either way next election will probably spell it out where all hunting and shooting sports will end up in future for NZ.

Labour/Green coalition will see it gradually become quite difficult due to mass beuractic paperwork(their tool)to own and participate in shooting and hunting sports and drive towards United Nations disarm citizens framework

Right/Centre coalition will see a backlash from public and massive growth in all shooting sports in New Zealand due to publicity from campaign to restrict.
Laws will be addressed in consultation with stakeholders and some sensible revamps to act updated that actually achieve something. Largely a continuation of NZ's successful focus on who should and shouldn't person basis of Arms act. Rather than endless regulations that achieve nothing.

It was interesting at the meeting. Try as I might, I couldn't get Nash to say that registration was a waste of time. He acknowledged that it won't stop guns getting into the hands of criminals. He acknowledged that it was a failure in Canada, and it doesn't stop criminals in Australia getting firearms. He ackowledged that police here, don't have the resources or the technology to implement it effectively. But, he still said "but what if we can get the technology?".

He's only just trying to get through the next election and have a job.
He thought he was on a cake run chairing that select committee sucking up whatever the Police told them and would pass through into law piece of piss on the quiet with the masses saying "here, here, ban the guns etc..".
Will be regretting it now, as he might have got away with it in say a central Auckland or Wellington Electorate. Napier being quite rural something like this seems to have the ability to focus away from what might be more important electoral issues.

Staggering they spent that much time on the Select Committee and to have such little understanding of the law(genuinely, not like Cahill who just lies).
He should have talked more to his "shooting mates" while ignoring all other stakeholders submissions.

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It was interesting at the meeting. Try as I might, I couldn't get Nash to say that registration was a waste of time. He acknowledged that it won't stop guns getting into the hands of criminals. He acknowledged that it was a failure in Canada, and it doesn't stop criminals in Australia getting firearms. He ackowledged that police here, don't have the resources or the technology to implement it effectively. But, he still said "but what if we can get the technology?".

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I wonder what technology Stuart means? Computers maybe? I am sure Canada had some of them when they tried and failed in the registration game.

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I wonder what technology Stuart means? Computers maybe? I am sure Canada had some of them when they tried and failed in the registration game.

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you cpuld have HAL 9000 at your disposal it wont make a difference if people dont comply. the best firearms security you can have is people not knowing what you have

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you cpuld have HAL 9000 at your disposal it wont make a difference if people dont comply. the best firearms security you can have is people not knowing what you have

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Probably don't even need non compliance for it to be worthless, just look at some of our other government led computer/software systems. Novopay and INCIS come to mind.

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you cpuld have HAL 9000 at your disposal it wont make a difference if people dont comply. the best firearms security you can have is people not knowing what you have

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Given what HAL does in the film, that may not be a good example

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I wonder what technology Stuart means? Computers maybe? I am sure Canada had some of them when they tried and failed in the registration game.

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I suspect he was referring to RFID.

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Bet there a few hunters in these numbers.
And they want to change the laws and hurt the in come :wtfsmilie:
Our maybe to many guns hurts this image......so what's 1080 doing

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Try applying for child support as a male and see how they treat you. Takes sometime for them to understand you are not a male trying to slide out of paying but just want some of your tax paying money taken off their bludging benefit 😀 (I have fully custody) , the money amount is nominal, less than a packet of cigarettes a week but a fun exercise never the less .

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Family court is EXTREMELY sexist.

Nicole McKee and Geoff Thomas have been selected as our representitives to the minister of police.

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Nicole McKee and Geoff Thomas have been selected as our representitives to the minister of police.

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As in "outdoors with Geoff" Geoff Thomas?

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As in "outdoors with Geoff" Geoff Thomas?

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Yep...

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Yep...

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We are fucked.

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We are fucked.

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Yep...

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Selected by whom?

ok, seen a few episodes of outdoors with geoff, is he an issue ??

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ok, seen a few episodes of outdoors with geoff, is he an issue ??

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Did he come across as sober/the full quid or ramble absolute nonsense as if it was fact ?

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Did he come across as sober/the full quid or ramble absolute nonsense as if it was fact ?

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"Now the .308 used to be called the .30-06" or something like that wasnt it oneday?

Bombing up goats on the skyline with a semi.

Pretty sure they choppered in above queenstown and he gutshot a deer they never recovered or that might have been old howie.

Nicole is ok

Came across this the other day, certainly can apply this to NZ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wstNwrWQha4

I'll be unpopular...

I'm all for democracy and retaining our privileges, but if you subscribe to the idea that 'total freedom' is synonymous with a certain materialistic possession or activity, then you're essentially selling yourself away! ANY of our possessions can be taken away from us...so can our ability to do a certain activity (due to financial hardship, physical handicaps etc). But flexibility, mindfulness, the willingness and ability to adapt; we truly own all of that. I'd be temporarily devastated if I couldn't hunt or shoot or live that lifestyle -- but it would be unhealthy to assume that similar enjoyment cannot be obtained elsewhere in the event that life handed me a cruddy deck of cards or if a Hunger Games situation was forced upon the world...

In that sense, I see the gun debate as totally justified (and especially from a democratic standpoint) but some of the emotion fuelled drivel being spouted by the likes of the NRA is akin to a little kid being deprived of their toy and allowing themselves to be deeply and emotionally affected by it. "We're losing our freedom!! Our lives are at stake!!" A bit of perspective can go a long way...

Fight for it, but don’t allow the harrowing thought of losing your Tikka T3 to affect your libido or appetite. Your gun does not define your entirety...and if it had to, why a Tikka?

Just thought I'd be comforting...:D Lol
*Runs out the door*

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. But flexibility, mindfulness, the willingness and ability to adapt;

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I agree possessions can be taken away, in the video she explains historically how this has happened. However, it doesn't mean we have to conform to anti-freedom agendas. That is not adapting.

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it would be unhealthy to assume that similar enjoyment cannot be obtained elsewhere in the event that life handed me a cruddy deck of cards or if a Hunger Games situation was forced upon the world...

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Why should we have to substitute for something else? I certainly wouldn't want to. Aside from your "cruddy deck of cards" I'll use your Hunger Games situation whereas that would put us in a dystopian future ruled by a tyrannical govt and I would not want to be unarmed, would you?

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In that sense, I see the gun debate as totally justified (and especially from a democratic standpoint) but some of the emotion fuelled drivel being spouted by the likes of the NRA is akin to a little kid being deprived of their toy and allowing themselves to be deeply and emotionally affected by it. "We're losing our freedom!! Our lives are at stake!!" A bit of perspective can go a long way...

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I hear your angst on some of what the NRA spouts off but honestly, that is justified. Just look at what is happening here especially in the last 18 months with PNHQ and the main-stream media, nothing but lies & deceit. A total disgrace and very undemocratic.

Points taken

Yes, the NZ police and our government have a lot to answer for.

Shooting and hunting make up a large part of the fabric that is NZs past and present, and it's vital we continue to voice our concerns about unjust restrictions being imposed on us.