Thread: St Arnaud sighting in area.

Originally Posted by 30.06king

Yes, this is a great thing but I can't help thinking just that is done already by NZDA with the collection of shooting ranges ( now registered ) they have. If one of those is close enough to you would it not be worthwhile joining NZDA if not already a member ?

The DA ranges are great but to have this happen on public conservation land is, in my opinion, a huge step forward for hunters. It could leave the NZDA in a position to concentrate more on what their name suggest (and hunter advocacy) rather than target shooting.

Originally Posted by Shearer

The DA ranges are great but to have this happen on public conservation land is, in my opinion, a huge step forward for hunters. It could leave the NZDA in a position to concentrate more on what their name suggest (and hunter advocacy) rather than target shooting.

Members of the NZDA were instrumental in getting that range operational, DOC is the Range Operator (first in the country I understand)

We just renewed the licence agreement with DOC for the Murchison Community Range, NN NZDA is the Range Operator on DOC land, it is open to the Public just like the Teetotal range

IIRC these are the only two Community ranges in the country & caused some consternation & work arounds with the powers that be to keep them operational

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

Members of the NZDA were instrumental in getting that range operational, DOC is the Range Operator (first in the country I understand)

We just renewed the licence agreement with DOC for the Murchison Community Range, NN NZDA is the Range Operator on DOC land, it is open to the Public just like the Teetotal range

IIRC these are the only two Community ranges in the country & caused some consternation & work arounds with the powers that be to keep them operational

The Teetotal sighting-in area had been "operating" for decades perfectly well before there was any involvement of NZDA.
Do you have any information on how to become the "range officer" to use the Murchison range?

Originally Posted by Shearer

The DA ranges are great but to have this happen on public conservation land is, in my opinion, a huge step forward for hunters. It could leave the NZDA in a position to concentrate more on what their name suggest (and hunter advocacy) rather than target shooting.

It seems you have a different perception of NZDA than I do.
Why shouldn't target/range shooting be part of what NZDA does?
Are you inferring NZDA won't need ranges if more ranges are built on DOC land?
Where is NZDA spending time on target shooting instead of "hunter advocacy"

Originally Posted by 19Badger

It seems you have a different perception of NZDA than I do.
Why shouldn't target/range shooting be part of what NZDA does?
Are you inferring NZDA won't need ranges if more ranges are built on DOC land?
Where is NZDA spending time on target shooting instead of "hunter advocacy"

In fact, from what I see via my own NZDA membership is that NZDA has substantially upped it's game to our ( Kiwi hunters ) benefit in recent years. A result of strong refocusing on the core task of hunter advocacy and bringing on board the necessary talent to get the push through. I appluad NZDA for it's new momentum. This is quite aside from any attention given to the ranges to keep them up to speed which I'm sure is quietly ongoing. All the more reason that more Kiwi hunters should be getting into and supporting NZDA, at a greater rate than the memberships current growth rate.
OK, this is getting a bit off-topic, sorry, so in relation to shooting ranges on DOC ( public ) land and re the now certified St. Arnaud range I think this: It's positive, a step forward and hopefully sets a useful precedent for potential future ranges. I believe we need more ranges in NZ than we currently have. One of the reasons many shooters don't use them is simply distance between where they live and ranges are located. Many existing ranges are on private land and I would think under present laws, regulations and circumstances it would be very difficult now to establish a new range from scratch on private land. Just too many hoops for a landowner to bother with for one, particularly farmers I presume. But there is an abundance of DOC ( public ) land around, suitably isolated but conveniently located that could be utilised with, I would guess, fewer obstacles. I think with enough pressure DOC would probably have to come to the party. After all they cater for other user groups like boaties, mountain bikers etc so could hardly justify excluding shooters despite any reservations.

Originally Posted by 30.06king

In fact, from what I see via my own NZDA membership is that NZDA has substantially upped it's game to our ( Kiwi hunters ) benefit in recent years. A result of strong refocusing on the core task of hunter advocacy and bringing on board the necessary talent to get the push through. I appluad NZDA for it's new momentum. This is quite aside from any attention given to the ranges to keep them up to speed which I'm sure is quietly ongoing. All the more reason that more Kiwi hunters should be getting into and supporting NZDA, at a greater rate than the memberships current growth rate.
OK, this is getting a bit off-topic, sorry, so in relation to shooting ranges on DOC ( public ) land and re the now certified St. Arnaud range I think this: It's positive, a step forward and hopefully sets a useful precedent for potential future ranges. I believe we need more ranges in NZ than we currently have. One of the reasons many shooters don't use them is simply distance between where they live and ranges are located. Many existing ranges are on private land and I would think under present laws, regulations and circumstances it would be very difficult now to establish a new range from scratch on private land. Just too many hoops for a landowner to bother with for one, particularly farmers I presume. But there is an abundance of DOC ( public ) land around, suitably isolated but conveniently located that could be utilised with, I would guess, fewer obstacles. I think with enough pressure DOC would probably have to come to the party. After all they cater for other user groups like boaties, mountain bikers etc so could hardly justify excluding shooters despite any reservations.

Greetings @30.06king and all,
Very, very well said. Continuing tenure of the land that the range is on is the key. There is also a significant amount of land held by Regional Councils that could be considered. In Hawkes Bay we will almost be starting from scratch. We had the excellent Roy's Hill Range during the time when target shooting was big with Deerstalkers so Local NZDA branches never developed their own ranges other than .22RF. I look at the effort that Taupo has put into upgrading the Jack Dillon Range and applaud it but don't see any effective effort to develop a range in HB. Some believe that a change in Government will take things back to the way they were in 2018. To me this is self deception on a grand scale. I wish it wasn't so but that is how I see it.
Regards Grandpamac.

Originally Posted by grandpamac

Greetings @30.06king and all,
Very, very well said. Continuing tenure of the land that the range is on is the key. There is also a significant amount of land held by Regional Councils that could be considered. In Hawkes Bay we will almost be starting from scratch. We had the excellent Roy's Hill Range during the time when target shooting was big with Deerstalkers so Local NZDA branches never developed their own ranges other than .22RF. I look at the effort that Taupo has put into upgrading the Jack Dillon Range and applaud it but don't see any effective effort to develop a range in HB. Some believe that a change in Government will take things back to the way they were in 2018. To me this is self deception on a grand scale. I wish it wasn't so but that is how I see it.
Regards Grandpamac.

yes my full bore days in Gisborne late sixties we had 3 ranges all within an hour - Gisborne - Wairoa - and one at Te Karaka - Te Karaka had its own small club many many years ago - Gisborne has been closed for many years the other two probably closed - there was a sight in range at Waikaremoana -it was up the Aniwaniwa road up above Papakarito falls - I used to go up with a scrub bar in 90,s and keep it clear - doubt thats being done now

Originally Posted by 19Badger

It seems you have a different perception of NZDA than I do.
Why shouldn't target/range shooting be part of what NZDA does?
Are you inferring NZDA won't need ranges if more ranges are built on DOC land?
Where is NZDA spending time on target shooting instead of "hunter advocacy"

Yes. It is quite possible I have a different perception and experience of the NZDA than you. And possibly different expectations.
No reason at all why target shooting shouldn't be part of what the NZDA does.
From my experience, a lot of deer stalkers aren't interested in organized target shooting or spending all day at a range. They simply want to put a couple of rounds through their deer stalking rifle to verify zero and then go deer stalking. My nearest NZDA range is over an hours drive away and is open only for very limited times. I know each local club is different but I just looked on my local clubs calendar for this month and the range is open today from 9-11am and there are two shooting competitions later in the month. No mention of any deer stalking going on.
As far as NZDA spending time on target shooting goes, each to their own, but the opportunity to have numerous small "sighting-in" areas scattered around the country on public land, for public use, is golden.

Originally Posted by Shearer

Yes. It is quite possible I have a different perception and experience of the NZDA than you. And possibly different expectations.
No reason at all why target shooting shouldn't be part of what the NZDA does.
From my experience, a lot of deer stalkers aren't interested in organized target shooting or spending all day at a range. They simply want to put a couple of rounds through their deer stalking rifle to verify zero and then go deer stalking. My nearest NZDA range is over an hours drive away and is open only for very limited times. I know each local club is different but I just looked on my local clubs calendar for this month and the range is open today from 9-11am and there are two shooting competitions later in the month. No mention of any deer stalking going on.
As far as NZDA spending time on target shooting goes, each to their own, but the opportunity to have numerous small "sighting-in" areas scattered around the country on public land, for public use, is golden.

I think it's great if DOC do provide a formal range where firearms owners can sight their rifle in, I'm sure this will be dependent on the local DOC office and their views.
The range was present prior to the law changes and it is only due to the people in the local DOC office that it will still be available post these law changes......there are a number of ranges that have ceased to exist post 24th June.

Your original comment come across as you objected to NZDA spending time advocating for anything other than hunting and the only purpose for NZDA was advocating for hunting.
I'm still unsure what NZDA has been doing that leads you to believe they are spending time advocating for target shooting, so please elaborate.

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