Thread: Tactical denfense classes

Try Home for Zombies Im not so sure about.

Watched a program called Kodiak on Discovery, think its the Island with the bear guides on it. They were teaching their boys (20 year olds) snap shooting as many times as possible at a moving target to simulate a charging bear. One of these ball bags un-shouldered his bolt action to reload and then asked after if it was better to keep it shouldered while reloading? ask the bear when its shitting you out... Or Germans....

I clicked the link and didn't watch the video when I saw it was range time. There was a major Internet shit storm recently over an accusation of Corey's "stolen valor". Claimed he was an Infantry officer in Afghanistan when he actually dropped out of basic or some shit. But that isn't why I didn't watch it I just don't really like them.

There are lots of different people involved in the serious use scene in the US. Some are really good, some are dip shits. Like anything in life.

Originally Posted by Beavis

I clicked the link and didn't watch the video when I saw it was range time. There was a major Internet shit storm recently over an accusation of Corey's "stolen valor". Claimed he was an Infantry officer in Afghanistan when he actually dropped out of basic or some shit. But that isn't why I didn't watch it I just don't really like them.

There are lots of different people involved in the serious use scene in the US. Some are really good, some are dip shits. Like anything in life.

@Beavis
See that Range Time are deleting anything they deem critical on any of their FB and YT pages and videos to make themselves feel better.
Including one of mine, which wasn't even critical in the slightest. What a joke.

He is a prize tool that got caught out.

While that particular video was pretty tame there must be a huge percentage of the American population that are sitting at home quivering in fear that armed assassins are coming to steal their bucket of chicken or a lot of wannabes that have seen to many rambo movies.

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I would fuckin hate to be in a fighting situation with a shotgun. I couldn't think of a cuntier thing to run with an adrenaline dump happening and a bunch of dregs invading your home. This is where rifles and 30 round mags come into their own. Good stopping power and more suitable for fending off multiple attackers. Contrary to what you might think, violent home invasions are a real thing over there. Often 3 or more attackers will be involved. I would want more than 8 rounds on tap in that situation.

without wishing to sound armchair commando and all that,but if you can't do it with 8,you ain't gonna do it with 30

Originally Posted by marky123

without wishing to sound armchair commando and all that,but if you can't do it with 8,you ain't gonna do it with 30

So you're not going to miss, all your shots will be perfectly placed, and each round will instantly stop the attacker/s in their tracks?
This is based on what? That you can hit 8 out 8 clay birds on a square range while static, calm, and not being shot at?

Originally Posted by Banana

So you're not going to miss, all your shots will be perfectly placed, and each round will instantly stop the attacker/s in their tracks?
This is based on what? That you can hit 8 out 8 clay birds on a square range while static, calm, and not being shot at?

Considering that the options are,
You are attacked in your sleep = dead.
You know that you are going to be attacked and are going to be ready and waiting = your will shoot the first intruder and the others will more than likely flee, or be caught by surprise and not have a chance to shoot while you take your next shot.
You are in fact being attacked by North Korea and there is multiple intruders who are going to fit you to the death = you are going to be killed no matter how many shots you have.

The though that you are going to be running around your house blind firing over the couch at 3 or 4 people is ridiculous.
How many home invaders do you think are going to hang around after their mate has been shot?
99% of all videos you see of an armed citizen shooting at an intruder, the intruders are out of their in a flash.

Originally Posted by Beetroot

Considering that the options are,
You are attacked in your sleep = dead.
You know that you are going to be attacked and are going to be ready and waiting = your will shoot the first intruder and the others will more than likely flee, or be caught by surprise and not have a chance to shoot while you take your next shot.
You are in fact being attacked by North Korea and there is multiple intruders who are going to fit you to the death = you are going to be killed no matter how many shots you have.

The though that you are going to be running around your house blind firing over the couch at 3 or 4 people is ridiculous.
How many home invaders do you think are going to hang around after their mate has been shot?
99% of all videos you see of an armed citizen shooting at an intruder, the intruders are out of their in a flash.

Well yeah, in the event that you know you’re going to be attacked and the attackers run away after you fire the first shot, then you wouldn't need more than 8 rounds.

Originally Posted by Banana

Well yeah, in the event that you know you’re going to be attacked and the attackers run away after you fire the first shot, then you wouldn't need more than 8 rounds.

Yeah are some pretty common misconceptions with the whole armed intruder thing. The vast majority of home invasion is oppertunistic, the thiefs take the path of least resistance. Why bust into a home guns blazing only to end up in a firefight with Commando Team Mum and Dad, and risk getting shot in the face when you can just break in and steal the shit you want when they arn't there, and not risk getting shot in the face.

In fact the vast majority of homicides in American homes are with the homeowners firearm, by someone they know well. Yet the yanks wont lock up there guns as they need to have access to them at any time.

Im all for being able to defend yourself, hence why I have done martial arts in various forms for the last 15 years. Having unlimited access to firearms puts you in as much or more risk than owning a firearm negates.

Originally Posted by Banana

So you're not going to miss, all your shots will be perfectly placed, and each round will instantly stop the attacker/s in their tracks?
This is based on what? That you can hit 8 out 8 clay birds on a square range while static, calm, and not being shot at?

no mate,its based on me not ever having to shoot anyone

You can't perform at your best under stress. You will probably miss. You need as many follow up shots as practical. In a hunting situation I would agree, probably at less than 8 shots. But it isn't hunting.

Originally Posted by Beavis

You can't perform at your best under stress. You will probably miss. You need as many follow up shots as practical. In a hunting situation I would agree, probably at less than 8 shots. But it isn't hunting.

As you say under stress you could well miss, isn't that why all US police departments use shotguns not to mention the over penetration of 223 bullets in resadential situations . Give me a 8 shot benelli any day.

Originally Posted by von tempsky fan

As you say under stress you could well miss, isn't that why all US police departments use shotguns not to mention the over penetration of 223 bullets in resadential situations . Give me a 8 shot benelli any day.

Not really, most use rifles. It is a common misconception that pistols and shotguns pose less risk of collateral damage. Basically anything powerful enough to stop somebody is powerful enough to penetrate walls etc. Shotguns don't do great against body armor etc either. Another thing to consider with buck shot is the spread pattern. Each one of them pellets can be a law suit.