Because theres plenty betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Jackangus
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Because theres plenty betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Jackangus
Because the .270 is not a long range rifle...beyond medium, but falls short as far as long range goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackangus
Did you change tact? In other posts you wanted a target rifle and you got this? You going hunting a bit now? Just leave this for deer and get a better suited rifle for target shooting 1000 like an f class type etc
No, I screwed up and took the salesman advise. I only want this rifle for target.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapour
I am going to see if maybe i can do a swap at the shop and maybe pay$100 to change caliber.
Just go see what guys actually use at 1000 yards and take there advice. It's a specialist game. I've tried to shoot a t3 270 at 1000 it is not easy!!
Oh dear...the rifle sold to you as the 'top of the line' yesterday will now be 'hard to sell piece of shit' today.
I'm sure not even hunting and fishing would describe tikka as "top of the line":)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spook
If the salesman told you the 270 was a good target shooting caliber id go punch him in the nose:)
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Mmm. To be honest mate I think you have rushed into this without asking or studying up on the facts. A shame as there are some real knowledgable pricks right here that would have helped big time with a LR rig.
The T3's I've owned have booted. I'm no expert but I think it's in the cheap stock design. Especially the .270. I think to be fair if you braked it and put a limbsaver on it and possibly a new stock i.e. Bell and Carlson or something else on it it will become a dream to shoot. When more money can be found that is.
Also a new rifle can 'often' settle with use and time with it. However a lightweight 'hunting' rig like the T3 in 270 will only occasionally become a mean long range shooter.
Good luck me bro!
Just my 2 cents worth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackangus
Earlier in the year I brought a new rifle in a bigger calibre than I had owned in last 20 years. It was a lightweight M700 based rifle.
Well I had to essentially learn to to shoot again as it was very lively off the bench to say the least. My groups were larger than I expected but I put this down to the "ME Factor"
With the muzzle brake on its very light on recoil but bloody noisy.
I actually prefer to shoot with out the brake but you really have to concentrate of your technique. I cant shoot it for poo without holding the fore end.
Ammo quality is very important, You most likely won't get 1000m accuracy like you are expecting from cheap vanilla ammo.
All Tikkas I have seen have shot really well. Try some good quality ammo
For 1000m shooting I might have chosen something like the 308, good quality ammo is cheaper, less recoil and you can buy top quality federal match ammo reasonably easily.
This is of course assuming you are shooting steel and paper targets.
If you you are shooting live animals then the 270 is a better bet but there are other much better calibres for that although the price of ammo is not cheap for them.
What scope are you using. It is hard to shoot good groups with a low power scope without practice. Cant hit what you can't see
And finally the "Salesman" will tell you exactly what you want to hear so you will part with your money.
Very few gun salesman (in my humble opinion) have much actual experience in all areas of shooting. Some may be experienced hunters (more likely) than others who shoot at long range AND are successful or do other shooting disciplines
Bottom line
You have a good rifle, feed it some good ammo, fit a limbsaver, get some practical advice on technique and go shoot it.
If it's any help just suppressing my t3 .270 turned my rifle into a dream shooter. This is the day before Xmas and after adjusting there is 3 shots in that bottom grouping. And I'm no target shooter. Ammos 130gr federal http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14...cfafa9abb9.jpg
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You are 100% right Danny, I did rush into it it, was an impulse buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny
The crazy thing is I knew that most people said buy a 308, but I let the salesperson talk me into the 270.
I will see today if I can swap calibers for a penalty of $100 or something.
Don't like my chances but will ask anyway, they will probably want $300 or something.
Tell him that under the CGA (or whatever it is called) that the rifle did not do what he claimed.
Just out of curiosity, what method of 'breaking in' did you use?
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I just fired 28 shots through it. So it probably isn't anywhere near broken in yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spook
I am more worried about the kick and people saying it isn't a very good target rifle.
I would imagine the groups would get tighter with experience, and the right ammo, and after a few more rounds through the barrel.
By what you guys are saying it is the wrong rifle for the job.
Good luck mate!
Will you be loading? I read somewhere you may be. If so the 7mm08 may be a better option in the T3 so you can load 7mm bullets and possibly play later with developing an improved calibre on that platform.
But the 308 is my favourite calibre. For good reason.
It's the best![emoji106]
But that's for hunting mainly.
28 rounds through it without any breaking in process, and you want it to be a target rifle?...jam it in the ground and use it for a tomato stake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackangus
Steady on. Half say it's absolutely necessary. The other half say waste of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spook
Looking for advice not a hanging.
Oh sorry, I didn't realize that a poll had been taken. I would have thought the variation would have been greater than 50/50 in some form of breaking in.
The man has not been too good at taking advice so far and so deserves a bit of stick.
Hopefully when he takes it back he tells the salesman of any shortcomings so that the salesman can give an 'honest' opinion to the next buyer.
Even without breaking in the Tikka, it comes with a MOA guarantee anyway, so should fire right out of the box under MOA. And like I said before it is the recoil that pissed me off the most not the groupings, and breaking the rifle in will do sweet fuck all for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spook
I did say it was crazy of me to buy the 270, but we all get sucked into buying something that isn't quite right at some time or other.
Good luck getting it sorted man. I think you have a good case under the consumer guarantees act of the item sold not being fit for purpose.
A 308 will likely be the best choice givin the availability of factory stuff. 6.5x55 or 260 are as LR cpabale and boot less but have crappy factory ammo selection so are more an option if you intend to reload
That being said even the humble 308 will boot a bit and over a long session cause shooter fatigue. Its just the reality of the lighweight factory tikka stocks.
Even throwing a cheapy boyds laminates thumbhole will make a big difference to the felt recoil over a factory stock.
If it really is for LR only then throwing a bit more cash at it and getting a long varmint/target contour barreled factory rig might be worthwhile. Savage tikka and howa all offer them at pretty reasonable prices.
The extra weight and heavier barrel will all work to keep felt recoil down
Lee, MOA guarantees mean just about nothing... It is a sales gimmick...
With almost any manufacturing process, there are variances. Every single rifle chamber is slightly different. If you add to that mix some factory ammo that has not been tuned for that particular chamber, and a shooter who may or may not be using optimal technique, expecting the rifle to be accurate to the mythical sub MOA level is not exactly realistic.
I could give someone a finely tuned target rifle and some custom hand loads that I know are perfect for that rifle, and if the shooter is having a bad day, they could still struggle to hit a 3 inch disc at 100yds...
On the flip side I can take an old clunker that most folks will tell you is a piece of shit, and fairly easily turn it into a decent rifle just by spending a bit of time on the crown and working up a good hand load for it.
Generally though, Tikkas are accurate rifles. I don't agree it's a gimmick, there must be some substance to the Tikka, and Sako, 3 and 5 shot Guarantee or people could return them for failing to live up to that part of the guarantee.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
I am not saying for a second there isn't bad ones that come out the box, but in general they seem to live up to what they say.
The felt recoil from tikka t3s have been an ongoing complaint the recoil pad if you can call it that is just a thin bit of rubber over a thick chunk of plastic all you need to do to tame it is add a limbsaver pad as others have suggested and put a suppressor on it, my remington 700 in 270 has a bit of a kick to it but I can shoot that rifle for long periods and not get a hiding like you have described from it and my 16 year old boy who has the build of a broomstick can handle firing it.
Your flinching and your ammo may not suited. Dont blame the rifleQuote:
Originally Posted by Jackangus
He isn't blaming the rifle everyone else is.
I must be reading the first post wrong.
I must be too especially when he said it wasted his shoulderQuote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
The MOA guarantee will be for the rifle, not the shooter...jam it in a vice and it will probably meet guarantee specifications.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackangus
Park the rifle up until your shoulder has healed as you wont be doing yourself any favours shooting with bruising.
Obviously I am not blaming the rifle for bruising my shoulder, that will be my technique. I'm sure most people who are not used to that caliber rifle were to sit there and fire 20 odd shots in 30 mins would probably complain of a bit of pain afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter308
I've used a .270 successfully to shoot gongs out too 600 yards and deer to 400 yards. If I read it right you purchased a a .270 for target shooting, I'm not sure any people use .270 for targeting shooting; for hunting they are great.
The sales man was right the .270 is better suited for long range shooting than the .308 but many people have shot at 1000 yards with a .308, modern dial up optics mean that range is not so much of a issue now - but you need to know what you are doing...
The latest two issues of NZ Hunter had two articles on the .270, you might find that interesting.
I've got two Tikkas now and had one in .270wsm, they all shot three shot groups under an inch, sometimes better. The .270wsm and .308 have Limbsavers.
Did you ask for a target rifle for 1000y shooting specifically? or was there mention of hunting?
Because a 3 second google will show you the difference between a dedicated range/target rifle and a hunting rifle.
If you specifically asked for a target rifle for 1000y take it back and demand a full refund, however if there was mention of hunting then the salesman probably quite rightly recommended a good hunting rifle capable of shooting targets at 1000y(and pretty much any calibre is capable of that even if the calibre could be bettered )
Gidday Jackangus
You've had a bit of stick on this thread, and kept your good humour - so good on you, there are some ignorant buggers here, some no better than the salesman who let you get away with the rifle. And remember generally at least half of what you read on the internet is bullshit, this forum is no better (or worse !!).
If you can't get your money back/exchange it one thing you could do if you are mostly target shooting is drop it into a target style stock, the Tikka stocks are all pretty much interchangeable, and there are some really excellent ones out there for a Tikka - your 270 in a target stock will become manageable, if not a pussy-cat - and you should be able shoot it a lot better. But before you do that make sure you go to a range a few times and have a yarn to some of the guys doing what you'd like to do.
Best o'luck
If you don't have any luck at the shop, send it to me and I will do the load development for nothing.
I have a selection of muzzle breaks and can give you one of those as well. I no longer need them.
Got one that should fit the contour of a factory Tikka nicely.
One of my best cobbers has a T3 lite in 7mm mag he uses as a guide rifle. Shoots mint and my 12 yr old son can shoot it with a suppressor.
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Good on ya manQuote:
Originally Posted by R93
This is the best advise I have read so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
While the rifle(s) today are generally MOA capable while a lot of shooters (myself included on a bad day)
As others have stated If you specifically asked for a rifle suitable for "Target Shooting to 100om" then you might have some comeback on the salesman. If you mentioned hunting them maybe not as 270 is a good hunting round.
Now I would suspect if you claim that the rifle is not MOA the store will test fire it with 3-4 brands of ammo and results most likely will be MOA or less. You might even get billed for the ammo if it performs as stated as I understand this is becoming common practice more and more
Top guy you are @R93Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
Amazing offer fella well done.Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
My first centre fire was a 270 and was shooting the old man's from about 14. Your shoulder will get better and definitely take advice from other shooters at the range on techniques
Sorry @ebf. Didn't mean to offend. It's dumb to me because I probably couldn't hit a mini van at 1000 yards.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
Just pulling ya leg man, hence the smileys... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Shearer
Intresting thread. Good advice. Good people.