What caliber?

Hey guys.
Im looking at buying a new rifle. I however am unsure of caliber, Already got a 6.5 creedmoor but I want something bigger that I can take out further. I want something I can stretch out to 700 meters if I really need too. Price of ammo isnt really an issue as I would only use it for deer and the od pig, use the creedmoor for goats etc. Id be hand loading too. Setup would probably be a 20 inch to 22 inch barrel with a over barrel suppressor. Anything in the 7mm range would be nice or somewhere around there. Im looking at 7mm rem mag but want to hear your guys thoughts.
Cheers

7mm Rem mag is hard to beat imho. There's a bunch of other flashy calibers out there but they don't offer a great deal over the humble 7RM in my opinion.

I shoot 7RM with a 168 Berger doing 3050fps out of a 21.5" barrel which is ample for what you want.

7mmRM to be sure, unless you want to go to 338LM
but 7mmRM will do what you want no question asked

what does it go like on lighter animals like fellow. Im assuming ur shooting vld?

Never shot a fallow... Shot a yearling red hind with it the other day, made a pretty big hole in the base of the neck.

Using 168VLD

There's a Tika 300WSM for sale on here, and its a good deal. Cut that back to 20-22" and it would be ducks nuts.

https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....-rifles-45248/

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Heard of suppressors? Dock 2-4", add a suppressor, recover the lost velocity through hand loading.

7mm rem mag ticks all the boxes.

A shortened rem mag or 7 SAUM would work well for what you are after or even a .284 win, the 7 saum and .284 will be harder to find than just going and buying a new rem mag.

+1 for 284 or SAUM, my pick would be 284 given what you’ve what you have stated. Only down side is you have to hand load.

heard the 7mm saum brass is very dear

7mm rem mag or 300 win mag, plenty of ammo in the shops if you don’t reload and easy to sell on if it’s not for you.

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heard the 7mm saum brass is very dear

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Not at all 100 Norma brass for $200 off gunworks or most wholesalers

does it have anything over the rem mag?

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does it have anything over the rem mag?

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Nice and efficient goes well in short barrels and fits in a short action or tikka properly,

700m.... What are you looking at shooting? Please say it's Taliban?

Ethics are personal but 700 on anything outside a warzone is a bit much in my mind.

Can and should are different beasts.

Sorry to be a dick but that's a long fu.... way. If gong shooting then hey, go hard.

You can happily shoot a 5.5 - 6lb rifle in 284 or SAUM, bit more challenging with RM.

I would prefer the 7mmRem mag but the 7mm Weatherby mag or 270 Weatherby mag could also be worth a look. Rem mag is the easiest of the ones mentioned to find brass and ammo for which is a big up for a lot of people. Rock into any / most ammo shops and there will be something there.

Short n fat is where its at....300wsm:thumbsup:

Suggest you try shooting the different options suggested before laying out $. If you were up my way you’d be welcome to shoot most of above mentioned

@Dundee his .22

Well you can choose your calibre (7mm, .308 etc) and then select a cartridge (7mm Rem Mag, .300 Win Mag etc) in that calibre....

Just to be a fussy git.

Your 6.5 Creedmoor will kill things at 700m without too much difficulty assuming you use a 147gr ELD-M for example.

But a magnum chambering is a better bet cos that’s what they are for.

What I always say (preach / rant / go on and on as my kids would say) is to be very very careful when stepping up to the magnums and pointing it at far away animals. It takes a lot of practice to learn how to shoot them accurately if you’ve only been using a low recoil cartridge like the Creedmoor.

Lots of things go wrong if you’re not used to recoil. Even the best and most experienced shooters of non-magnums can develop a flinch with a magnum. Its not a question of how manly you are, just a human reaction. You’ll need to burn a lot of ammo to test yourself at 700m+ with a magnum, to learn the drops, the windage.

The 7mm Rem Mag is a bankable cartridge. A world class winner. So is the .300 Win Mag. The WSMs are worth a look. The .270 WSM is often overlooked. I’d be all over a .300 WSM too. A 28 Nosler would be drool material but a bit of a hard to find wildcard.

But I’d want to know I had somewhere to go shoot it a lot before I went hunting with it. Easier said than done for many of us.

Ask yourself why so many low-round-count magnums are for sale.

My .30/06 with 167 grain Lapua Scenars goes really well to 1,000 metres plus. I run a 26" barrel with AR2213SC for 2950 fps and 0.5 MOA. I have also just got a .338 LM (Savage Stealth) for longer ranges but still in the load development stage.

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Heard of suppressors? Dock 2-4", add a suppressor, recover the lost velocity through hand loading.

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Sorry mate couldn't hear what you said ?

1000 + is far

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I would prefer the 7mmRem mag but the 7mm Weatherby mag or 270 Weatherby mag could also be worth a look. Rem mag is the easiest of the ones mentioned to find brass and ammo for which is a big up for a lot of people. Rock into any / most ammo shops and there will be something there.

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I wouldnt think a short barrel would give the increase in speed would be worth all that xtra powder

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I dont handload for the creedmoor yet but would handload if I got another rifle. At the moment we put 143 grain eld x through it and get .8 of an inch at 100 meters. Its a 20 inch barrel so im going to assume the bullets are going very slow. Anyway 7 rem mag does appeal to me but id have to shoot one first to see what iv got to deal with. Theres a club down here called the Taranaki long range shooters, so I might have to go and ask nicely if there is one there. I think they shoot gongs out to 1000+ there as well. Range isn't a problem. I can shoot out to 500 meters on my property and then there is the club which I might join.

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I dont handload for the creedmoor yet but would handload if I got another rifle. At the moment we put 143 grain eld x through it and get .8 of an inch at 100 meters. Its a 20 inch barrel so im going to assume the bullets are going very slow. Anyway 7 rem mag does appeal to me but id have to shoot one first to see what iv got to deal with. Theres a club down here called the Taranaki long range shooters, so I might have to go and ask nicely if there is one there. I think they shoot gongs out to 1000+ there as well. Range isn't a problem. I can shoot out to 500 meters on my property and then there is the club which I might join.

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Join up to that club mate awesome bunch of guys contact Graham Bishop a lot of them shoot 6.5 Creedmore as well as 7mmRem mag I shoot .260 and 7mmsaum.

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Originally Posted by Flyblown

Well you can choose your calibre (7mm, .308 etc) and then select a cartridge (7mm Rem Mag, .300 Win Mag etc) in that calibre....

Just to be a fussy git.

Your 6.5 Creedmoor will kill things at 700m without too much difficulty assuming you use a 147gr ELD-M for example.

But a magnum chambering is a better bet cos that’s what they are for.

What I always say (preach / rant / go on and on as my kids would say) is to be very very careful when stepping up to the magnums and pointing it at far away animals. It takes a lot of practice to learn how to shoot them accurately if you’ve only been using a low recoil cartridge like the Creedmoor.

Lots of things go wrong if you’re not used to recoil. Even the best and most experienced shooters of non-magnums can develop a flinch with a magnum. Its not a question of how manly you are, just a human reaction. You’ll need to burn a lot of ammo to test yourself at 700m+ with a magnum, to learn the drops, the windage.

The 7mm Rem Mag is a bankable cartridge. A world class winner. So is the .300 Win Mag. The WSMs are worth a look. The .270 WSM is often overlooked. I’d be all over a .300 WSM too. A 28 Nosler would be drool material but a bit of a hard to find wildcard.

But I’d want to know I had somewhere to go shoot it a lot before I went hunting with it. Easier said than done for many of us.

Ask yourself why so many low-round-count magnums are for sale.

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There's lots of low round count Magnum's for sale cos the throats been worn smooth lol

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7mm rem mag, 300 win mag, 300 wsm, 7mm saum, 284 win. All sweet options. Factory ammo i’d go one of the first three.

270wsm snorting out the 145eld-x would be a sweet combo too.

I have a suppressed 19" 284 and a 26" rem mag. The 284 is a much nicer do everything carry around rifle that can reach out if i really need to. If im going tahr hunting where longer range can be more of the norm i take the rem mag. For predominantly under 500 occasionally reaching beyond id be looking at a nicer handling 284. If looking to focus in the 5-700 range more frequently something with a bit more grunt is worth the associated weight of longer barrel, different stock design etc. Ive shot my rem mag to 1300 on steel but limit to 700 on animals and even then it is a very rare occasion i actually need to shoot that far and cant get closer. Pretty easy to make a mistake when in the field and dont want to wound animals so try to save the longer stuff for lower consequence targets (steel/rocks/cow poo :))

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I have a suppressed 19" 284 and a 26" rem mag. The 284 is a much nicer do everything carry around rifle that can reach out if i really need to. If im going tahr hunting where longer range can be more of the norm i take the rem mag. For predominantly under 500 occasionally reaching beyond id be looking at a nicer handling 284. If looking to focus in the 5-700 range more frequently something with a bit more grunt is worth the associated weight of longer barrel, different stock design etc. Ive shot my rem mag to 1300 on steel but limit to 700 on animals and even then it is a very rare occasion i actually need to shoot that far and cant get closer. Pretty easy to make a mistake when in the field and dont want to wound animals so try to save the longer stuff for lower consequence targets (steel/rocks/cow poo :))

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I have more or less this set up as well, a carbon stock 22 inch 284 and a 26inch barrel 7mm rem. As stated above both calibers will do it. Beware if you're hunting with others they'll often want you to bring the rem so they can carry their lightweight rigs! Haha the t3 in 7mm superlite with a stug stock would be wicked tho! Both calibers are easy to reload for, take your time with a beer. It's my favourite part.