Thread: 24 June 2023

Originally Posted by Rushy

Hmmmm! It concerns me greatly that there are only two options for providing the information (use the website or phone). I have an absolute personal aversion to using the website and I feel that providing the information via telephone exposes us to the operator on the other end of the line mis hearing, mis inputting or plain old suffering from dyslexia and fucking up the detail. I have no issue with providing the information in printed form to the arms officer at the local Police Station but I feel this to be unnecessary as I provided a list eight months ago and nothing has changed so all I ought to need to do is say “refer to the information you should already have on file.

and what makes you think that no firearms license holders don't have dyslexia? I know I have the misfortune of transposing letters and numbers so with all the firearms owners entering data whos to say any of the database will be correct?

hmmm-I read recently somewhere that word is it could be another major election issue ,aside from NZ first patronising statements that is.Use of SAPS computer systems is dubious. jobs for beige Bridget and and binary bungling Sebastian 'ooh sir but you must tell us how many black guns you have,oh you racist youve curdled my latte. to this out fit -get your sahit sorted before you demand i sort mine OK.

24/6/23

2+4=6, 6, 2*3=6

666.

It's a sign!

Originally Posted by vulcannz

24/6/23

2+4=6, 6, 2*3=6

666.

It's a sign!

Oh shit, NO!

I wonder how the system would cope if there were two rifles with the same serial number and caliber . Like 2 Lee enfields or two “Mauser”

Originally Posted by Friwi

I wonder how the system would cope if there were two rifles with the same serial number and caliber . Like 2 Lee enfields or two “Mauser”

Very common, both firearm types used a single letter prefix followed by up to 4 numbers - this was repeated when they got to Z9999 starting back at A0001 or A1 depending on armoury. In the peak of production, the cycle was repeated several times in a year...

The only reason I can see the register do is finding out if someone is passing guns onto people of dubious character, but what do they do when said person rings the cops and says he’s/she’s been broken into and robbed? I’m all for good law but don’t think this will help when popo are to scared to knock on gangs doors.
I’ll comply and try to be an upstanding law abiding citizen but I know I’m not the only one who can see this won’t make a spot of difference.

Originally Posted by 2post

The only reason I can see the register do is finding out if someone is passing guns onto people of dubious character, but what do they do when said person rings the cops and says he’s/she’s been broken into and robbed? I’m all for good law but don’t think this will help when popo are to scared to knock on gangs doors.
I’ll comply and try to be an upstanding law abiding citizen but I know I’m not the only one who can see this won’t make a spot of difference.

I will comply as far as the law requires. Why anyone wouldn't comply, or would behave in a way that draws attention to themselves through being cute or obstinate is beyond me. Complying does not mean agreement.

Originally Posted by Tahr

I will comply as far as the law requires. Why anyone wouldn't comply, or would behave in a way that draws attention to themselves through being cute or obstinate is beyond me. Complying does not mean agreement.

I have no issue complying, it’s what normal law abiding citizens do.
My comments are my musings about how to stop criminals getting guns, If the register stops one person getting hold of a gun then it’s worth it. I just don’t have much hope since the police have no idea and I’ve seen no research or evidence to say a register will help.
I see it more as a political decision.

Originally Posted by 2post

I have no issue complying, it’s what normal law abiding citizens do.
My comments are my musings about how to stop criminals getting guns, If the register stops one person getting hold of a gun then it’s worth it. I just don’t have much hope since the police have no idea and I’ve seen no research or evidence to say a register will help.
I see it more as a political decision.

My comment was in support of you.

Originally Posted by 2post

I have no issue complying, it’s what normal law abiding citizens do.
My comments are my musings about how to stop criminals getting guns, If the register stops one person getting hold of a gun then it’s worth it. I just don’t have much hope since the police have no idea and I’ve seen no research or evidence to say a register will help.
I see it more as a political decision.

A register can never stop one person from getting hold (illegally) of ANYTHING, never mind that it might be a gun. What will stop them is adequate security that is only known to you and the vetting officer who approved that safe-keeping arrangement.
However, that small piece of information can, conceivably, become a shopping location/list.

[QUOTE]I just don’t have much hope since the police have no idea and I’ve seen no research or evidence to say a register will help.[QUOTE]
The Canadian "authorities" who had their collective heads placed firmly up their arses spent something like C$2billion and achieved didly-squat, whereupon the resister was abandoned. Oh yea, that was money really well spent. NOT!
And now we have the NZ police union stirrer crying foul that ACT will throw a piece wishful thinking out: something that has been shown,time and again, to achieve NOTHING, apart from becoming a "sink-hole" for tax-payers money.

[QUOTE]I see it more as a political decision.[QUOTE]
Absolutely correct. And come election time, some of those politicians will, most definately, be replaced.

Dont draw attention to yourself is key to having yr rifles to keep hunting.

I will comply as a law abiding citizen and responsible firearms owner. I don't believe it will lower gun violence and the crims will continue on their merry way. I will be waiting awhile to comply though as there are many issues raised on here that are valid concerns .
I think this legislation has a lot of water to go under the bridge yet.

Unfortunately "Complying does not mean agreement." may be true of the register, however it's not necissarily true of all things. It's easy to see how the register could be missused against people who dissagree or don't comply with whatever the latest "requirement" is from the authorities.

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

Unfortunately "Complying does not mean agreement." may be true of the register, however it's not necissarily true of all things. It's easy to see how the register could be missused against people who dissagree or don't comply with whatever the latest "requirement" is from the authorities.

Good point.