Thread: 24 June 2023

I think the advisable thing to do (and I suspect most will) is to sit back and watch & wait unless compelled to comply. There is much chatter that the back-room boffins have told Police that the Register is not ready for launch (June 2023) but being an Election year much pressure has been applied to go-ahead anyway. Given the range of people who will have access to the data-base the first Security Breach is only a fingertip away from happening and it will. On a second note, Do Not under any circumstances go on-line and enter the details yourself, as there is no paper option, for security reasons, use the Phone-in method (o8oo xxxx) so that it is Police staff entering the details. When this turns into the massive cluster that we know will happen they will be looking for any and all excuses to blame LaFOs and incorrect Data Entry will be one of those. In short they created this, let them do the work. (My ten cents worth...)

Once you "trigger" the registration requirement by
A/ buying ammunition
B/ buying / selling a firearm
Dont you then have 5 yrs to complete the compliance process I dont see where it says immediately.

How does buying ammunition trigger it?
Don't you just pay your money, show your licence and walk out the door?

Originally Posted by Skeetshooter

How does buying ammunition trigger it?
Don't you just pay your money, show your licence and walk out the door?

A lot of places now take your licence details when you hand it over to buy ammo now. I'm not sure if its legislated now or just plain arse covering!!!

Originally Posted by Skeetshooter

How does buying ammunition trigger it?
Don't you just pay your money, show your licence and walk out the door?

Don't know, but according to the wording, it's not till 2025.

Originally Posted by Growlybear

Don't know, but according to the wording, it's not till 2025.

Can we presume that by 2025 each ammunition purchase will be registered against your name?

Originally Posted by Skeetshooter

Can we presume that by 2025 each ammunition purchase will be registered against your name?

Yes, such that they can then say "why are you buying .44mag ammo? You don't own a .44mag rifle....."

Originally Posted by schwen

Yes, such that they can then say "why are you buying .44mag ammo? You don't own a .44mag rifle....."

As per their website ammunition is not going to be required to be registered.

Currently retailers have an obligation to record details for ammunition sales. Similar to what they have to do for firearms.

Originally Posted by schwen

Yes, such that they can then say "why are you buying .44mag ammo? You don't own a .44mag rifle....."

who are THEY???? in theory the police COULD..but a retailer shouldnt have that information..so it would be only able to happen if police do a double check after sale is completed.

Originally Posted by Skeetshooter

How does buying ammunition trigger it?
Don't you just pay your money, show your licence and walk out the door?

41Initial obligation to provide information for registry if activating circumstance occurs
(1)
This regulation applies if a person is a licence holder under the Act immediately before subclause (3) or (4) applies, and, on or after that date, the person—
(a)
applies for a licence or an endorsement under the Act; or
(b)
has a change to the information relating to the circumstances specified in Part 1 or 2 of Schedule 1B that is relevant to the person; or
(c)
has responsibility in relation to any event specified in Part 4 of Schedule 1B; or
(d)
is subject to compliance or enforcement action by the Police under the Act, including inspections of storage security and arms items, warnings, improvement notices, temporary suspensions of licences, and criminal charges under the Act; or
(e)
purchases ammunition after 24 June 2025.

Now it all makes sense to me why the shops told me they are all low in ammo.

There is a reason why there is a magnetic strip on the back of the new licences , one way or another it will relates your licence with the ammo you buy.

Originally Posted by Friwi

There is a reason why there is a magnetic strip on the back of the new licences , one way or another it will relates your licence with the ammo you buy.

Just future proofing I think. Using that strip now would mean that they've got their act together and we all know that won't be happening.

Just hope we won't see the "firearm registry leaked!" headline news someday. This privacy leak would potentially give the law biding owners' location to the crims.

Whoever came up with this registry idea should bear that responsibility if it happened.

Originally Posted by hakka_ranger

Just hope we won't see the "firearm registry leaked!" headline news someday. This privacy leak would potentially give the law biding owners' location to the crims.

Whoever came up with this registry idea should bear that responsibility if it happened.

The main issue with this risk is once the leak has occurred and the addresses are out in the wild, it doesn't matter if the affected owner moves as the next occupants of the house are at risk and completely unaware of why. The address is potentially permanently marked as a 'firearms source' once a breach occurs. I think this has been found overseas with various types of registries - a registry is a 'snapshot in time' list and yesterday is not a predictor of tomorrow and once a breach happens the outdated list remains outdated but 'out in the wild'.

Also, it won't help prevent crime, it won't solve crime - it's literally only a control tool. Arguably the level of offending vs level of lawful safe ownership as a purely cost/benefit based analysis would show that the cost and risk don't provide a level of benefit that is being claimed - but in all honesty the level of administration provided over the last decade obviously does leave a lot to be desired. The records of importation permits being claimed to have been lost, the leak of hard data from Auckland, the loss of data after the 'buy back' plus many other issues that have arisen with licences misprinted or sent to the wrong address, permit errors, lost applications etc etc show that it doesn't really matter what is implemented in terms of registration as it won't be accurate or reliable enough unless it is funded and resourced correctly with appropriately trained staff with the right background and experience to identify and correct errors as they are found. Hiring staff with no firearms knowledge will not allow this to happen at all...