Thread: 96 Guns seized

On a percentage basis of all the daily callouts and investigations, that doesn't even register as a blip.
But I'm not here to get into a slanging match over it. Nothing but respect for the job they have to do.

The thousands of good ordinary cops dont write the laws but they do bust their guts, get injured and killed doing their jobs. But of course, you anti police people dont mean them - thats always the retort. Of course you do.

I have trouble not being sceptical over police stats.
To often we see figures manipulated to suit certain agendas.
Listening to a YouTube clip by Mark and Sam on the WA figures, something like eighty thousand "firearm events" recorded over a certain period. Turns out something like sixty thousand events recorded as seizures, were people handing in firearms which law changes had deemed prohibited.
Actual criminal "firearm events" was about two thousand.
Doesn't have the same impact does it?
I'm not anti police, or anti anyone, if they are civil to me, I'll treat them likewise, but if they want to act like power happy c....., they will get no help from me.

Originally Posted by Tahr

The thousands of good ordinary cops dont write the laws but they do bust their guts, get injured and killed doing their jobs. But of course, you anti police people dont mean them - thats always the retort. Of course you do.

You have a valid point - and no one would argue that. But in some cases, the same people you've mentioned do make cockups and overstep the mark - and go on to deny, deflect and avoid the owning it and making it right part.

I do not begrudge the Police their job, do not argue that it's bloody hard and they might not be supported with the right kit and powers in a lot of cases but when they get it wrong and deflect/deny it they are just directly harming the community members that they are supposed to be protecting. Everyone makes cockups, but it's the owning and putting right that counts and in a lot of cases this appears to be what's lacking at the moment.

Also, I find myself agreeing with the comments on stats and manipulation - even in this article there are a lot more parts than actual firearms and it would be good to get the standard enforced in the media that actual 'operational firearms seized' numbers and then the numbers of 'parts and non-functioning firearms' are quoted so we can directly see what the results were.

"More than 1,000 guns and parts seized in illicit weapon crackdown in Australia and New Zealand" as the opening line - three magazines and associated loose parts per firearm reduces that down to a few hundred firearms in both countries?

always rather amused by the photos of seized weapons --all this talk of the crims bringing in revolvers pistols they never appear in the photos - might be one pistol - no fancy pistols at all - many home made ones mostly very crude - the firearms in these photos just average hunting weapons

Originally Posted by No.3

Also, I find myself agreeing with the comments on stats and manipulation - even in this article there are a lot more parts than actual firearms and it would be good to get the standard enforced in the media that actual 'operational firearms seized' numbers and then the numbers of 'parts and non-functioning firearms' are quoted so we can directly see what the results were.

"More than 1,000 guns and parts seized in illicit weapon crackdown in Australia and New Zealand" as the opening line - three magazines and associated loose parts per firearm reduces that down to a few hundred firearms in both countries?

I must live in some parallel world. I never see these negative things but then I never go looking for them because I don’t really care. All things I can’t change and I’m not interested in collecting negativity to square the ledger cause they took my guns or whatever. It seems that confirmation bias runs strong when it comes to discussing the police.
The good thing is that I’m nearly in the middle of cook straight and will lose reception soon. Wallaby be aware.

Originally Posted by Tahr

The thousands of good ordinary cops dont write the laws but they do bust their guts, get injured and killed doing their jobs. But of course, you anti police people dont mean them - thats always the retort. Of course you do.

You're making a large assumption about what others think or mean. From what I can see in this thread people are criticising the police as an organisation. Not as individual members.
Many of us personally know a cop or two and from my experience they themselves have no issues criticising their employer.

Originally Posted by Fatberg

You're making a large assumption about what others think or mean. From what I can see in this thread people are criticising the police as an organisation. Not as individual members.
Many of us personally know a cop or two and from my experience they themselves have no issues criticising their employer.

I’ve seen these forum discussions about the police for 30 years. Same themes. Same trajectory. Often same people. So assumption based on experience and evidence.

Originally Posted by Tahr

I must live in some parallel world. I never see these negative things but then I never go looking for them because I don’t really care. All things I can’t change and I’m not interested in collecting negativity to square the ledger cause they took my guns or whatever. It seems that confirmation bias runs strong when it comes to discussing the police.
The good thing is that I’m nearly in the middle of cook straight and will lose reception soon. Wallaby be aware.

Yes, it is evidently obvious that your opinion on the removal of firearms from citizens is apathetic, I certainly hope that it is not a common view, I would like for my children, and, my children's children to be able to hunt and/or target shoot. Our opinions and actions now will shape that future.

Originally Posted by inglishill

Yes, it is evidently obvious that your opinion on the removal of firearms from citizens is apathetic, I certainly hope that it is not a common view, I would like for my children, and, my children's children to be able to hunt and/or target shoot. Our opinions and actions now will shape that future.

Not apathetic because I have made submissions. But my level of apathy probably reflects the majority view. Even of members on here.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Not apathetic because I have made submissions. But my level of apathy probably reflects the majority view. Even of members on here.

As I say, that is unfortunate. But I suppose it might be the kiwi way. One day, when our firearms are removed for good, we will all go 'What happened? How did they do this?'. If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything..... At any rate perhaps I am the odd one out, so be it Have a good trip Thar!

If there is no agenda on the part of Police, where are the "Thousands of traffic tickets issued" and "Hundreds of family harm cases resolved" PR releases?

One occasionally hears of lines like "police are worried about drink driving with X no of recent arrests" and of course the annual pearl clutching over the road toll but they are very much in the background compared to the crowing over FA seizures

To be fair, I think some of it is a bit of show and tell - they also like to parade their drug seizures and show off wodges of seized cash
-although I don't think anyone can seriously argue that the war on drugs is being won except by, ahem, drugs

A bit like how the register is doing sweet fuck all to stop crims having guns, funny that..

Originally Posted by 308

If there is no agenda on the part of Police, where are the "Thousands of traffic tickets issued" and "Hundreds of family harm cases resolved" PR releases?

One occasionally hears of lines like "police are worried about drink driving with X no of recent arrests" and of course the annual pearl clutching over the road toll but they are very much in the background compared to the crowing over FA seizures

To be fair, I think some of it is a bit of show and tell - they also like to parade their drug seizures and show off wodges of seized cash
-although I don't think anyone can seriously argue that the war on drugs is being won except by, ahem, drugs

A bit like how the register is doing sweet fuck all to stop crims having guns, funny that..

The register, as it stands, has lead to some arrests.

Originally Posted by Tahr

I’ve seen these forum discussions about the police for 30 years. Same themes. Same trajectory. Often same people. So assumption based on experience and evidence.

It's always the same whingers whatever the topic