So I sent my thoughts to ACT on their proposed policy and received a very independent reply.
Definitely worth sending your thoughts.
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So I sent my thoughts to ACT on their proposed policy and received a very independent reply.
Definitely worth sending your thoughts.
How long did it take to get a reply? I sent mine a few days ago, but not follow up or even acknowledgement of email. I presume they will not reply to all comments.
@Ben Waimata I sent mine on Monday morning, no automated reply. The response came through late this afternoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Waimata
They did take the time to read it and respond thoughtfully, replied to each one of my thoughts, certainly not a canned response.
out of curiosity, what questions did you ask? and what were the responses?
Have you tried asking the same questions to other parties? also just out of curiosity...
I gave my thoughts on basically all the bullet points they listed, some just whether I agreed or not other more depth.Quote:
Originally Posted by STC
They responded in detail about how the changes they plan to make to try get the courts to actually punish criminals, sound like they really want to make some changes here.
Most of my reply was around the response was around the "Enhanced Licence". Sound like they hope to massively simplify the system, doing away with P cat and possibly even C and B, rolling them all into one with E cat back.
Looks like if you had the Enhanced licence it wouldn't come with conditions, so if you got it as part of a service rifle club you could also do pest control.
I didn't ask questions so much as just gave my thoughts.
I probably won't bother asking other parties there views.
I know the team at ACT work really hard on answering correspondence personally rather than auto-generated messages like other parties. However, I imagine they are getting a lot of feedback on this issue and it may take a while to get a response due to the quantity of emails received?
If you read the full length policy document (not assuming you haven't) you will notice that pistol and collectors endorsements will be retained under the umbrella of the enhanced licence system. Effectively, the enhanced licence would be for centrefire semi automatics, and the collectors and pistol endorsements would be an additional measure on top of that.
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Originally Posted by Beetroot
Wow. This means they want to bring back E cat as it was, not just a slightly widened P endorsement as I was expecting. It's hard to imagine much buy in to that idea from the anti-gun nutters (both public and MPs). Given the large number of people who used E cat and also those who were happy to use semi autos on A cat, I'd expect 100,000 applications for the new category in the first year. This will get interesting.
I just a reply back from Nicole.
It was very well written and she agrees with several of the things that I have mentioned.
Was blown away to get a response.
K
Same hereQuote:
Originally Posted by tac a1
Yeah, I too was impressed they/Nicole actually read and responded to everything I said.
Not to mention they very much seems to talking a lot of sense.
What I see with putting C P And B under a same licence, is that next time labour is in power and there is a shooting, it is the whole collectors stuff being confiscated as well… maybe C should remain a C separated from the rest.
Good news Beetroot, thanks for sharing.
Got a personal response from Nicole. Came through quite late so she’s obviously putting the hours in.
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https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA23...M2MTIuMTYuMC4w
Labour are not happy with ACT.
Hoskings was taking the piss out of Labour about their ridiculous claim about Act.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Waimata
What I find appalling is the police minister is still calling semi autos assault rifles, there is a difference but you can’t let the truth get in the way of a good story can you….
Ideologues are never happy with reason and common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Waimata
The most polite thing to do is to ignore their ramblings and fearmongering.
The wording is 100 % deliberateQuote:
Originally Posted by Fat ninja
Fixed it for you hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Ben Waimata
And point of order for the Police Minister, the type of gun most commonly used in mass shootings overseas is the handgun. Not sure where she's getting her bullshit advice from - probably the same place that advises on the use of language.
"“These guns are not designed for hunting. Gangs and criminals will be rubbing their hands together at this policy."Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Waimata
Gangs and criminals care about arms legislation? Give me a break.
there is an old saying...if you aim for the moon and hit the stars you have still goone high....or some such thing hard to interperit acient Chinese in cracked rice paper
if the policy contains a few bits that are too hard to swallow so get axed...its like deliberately putting a dead light bulb in indicater lens when going to garage for wof..... you provide SOMETHING to be removed/found/fixed and the other guy is happy they have had a win..and you still get what you wanted in first place.
by including all semi centrefires we might if all stars align possibly,just maybe,end up with enclosed magazine/blind magazine 5 shot on endorsed licence...... but IF anything like that was to happen.the wiggle room would need to be slammed shut tighter than a fishes arsehole so we didnt end up with same fiasco we had before....it would take it back to the INTENT of law changes after Aromoana event....
The argument at the time was that semi-auto centerfire wasn't the bogey man that it was portrayed as, and true to form the majority of the gun crime isn't due to the now limited prohibition firearms it's the rank and file shotguns and easy to modify to make them more concealable firearms.
The bog standard argument that semi autos were designed simply to kill people was something to create fear and fear creates support, the facts of it are - if people didn't decide they needed to kill other people before the other people killed them we wouldn't have half of the tech we do now. I have also pointed out, that people are mammals too - which stopped more than one or two rabid anti gunners in full cry.
Not wanting this thread to turn political.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Waimata
But FFS what a load of crap.
Labour desperately need the boot if they actually believe they have done anything to curtail the rise in crime.
JC!! just read that load of rubbish. Ginny Anderson needs re boring with something if she thinks that there is even a modicum of truth to those words.
Outrageous lies, fear mongering and an outright attempt to mis lead people.
Says something for her, and her party that they would print such bullshit.
What a bunch of losers.
that entire site brought vomit up to back of my throat..... guess they are preaching to the converted who will swallow without questioning truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Waimata
Truth does not come into it, they are desperate and will say anything to get re-elected. She is known as "Gaslight" Ginny for a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by tac a1