Thread: Another Aramoana???

Originally Posted by Maca49

Really? Like how many? Just counting civilians?

Four cops shot in Kawerau a few months ago.

How about the guy that killed the two women in the Ashburton Work and Income office?

Ashburton Work and Income shooter Russell John Tully sentenced to life with 27 years non-parole | Stuff.co.nz

Or that guy Mowatt who fired 29 shots to kill his ex girlfriend and her new boyfriend in Papakura a couple of years ago? Licenced firearms owner.

The Bedroom Murders: 29 shots, 3 people dead. Why? - National - NZ Herald News

Four shot and one killed in Napier in 2009.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Napier_shootings

Six killed with a shotgun in Raurimu in 1997.

crime.co.nz

Five shot dead in the Bain family murders in 1994.

Six more killed by that bloke Schlaepfer near Pukekohe in 1992. Farmer with his shotgun and a knife.

Stanley Graham in 1941 on the west coast. Shot and killed seven others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanle...of_the_rampage

That's just off the top of my head. There were more people maimed by guns in the same incidents.

Originally Posted by systolic

Four cops shot in Kawerau a few months ago.

How about the guy that killed the two women in the Ashburton Work and Income office?

Ashburton Work and Income shooter Russell John Tully sentenced to life with 27 years non-parole | Stuff.co.nz

Or that guy Mowatt who fired 29 shots to kill his ex girlfriend and her new boyfriend in Papakura a couple of years ago? Licenced firearms owner.

The Bedroom Murders: 29 shots, 3 people dead. Why? - National - NZ Herald News

Four shot and one killed in Napier in 2009.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Napier_shootings

Six killed with a shotgun in Raurimu in 1997.

crime.co.nz

Five shot dead in the Bain family murders in 1994.

Six more killed by that bloke Schlaepfer near Pukekohe in 1992. Farmer with his shotgun and a knife.

Stanley Graham in 1941 on the west coast. Shot and killed seven others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanle...of_the_rampage

That's just off the top of my head. There were more people maimed by guns in the same incidents.

And I am certain that not all of these were licence holders!!!

Originally Posted by 223nut

And I am certain that not all of these were licence holders!!!

Where did I say they all were?

Mowatt and Graham certainly were. David Bain was too (We'll have to disregard him though because his conviction was overturned). Schaelfer I think was too.

Originally Posted by systolic

Where did I say they all were?

Mowatt and Graham certainly were. David Bain was too (We'll have to disregard him though because his conviction was overturned). Schaelfer I think was too.

Was there licening in 1941?10 years before I was born, so I dunno, but like george Wilder, Graham became something of a folk hero. Hitler was supposed to have sent him a telegram saying "You hold the South Island, I'll send a soldier to take the North Island." Probably a myth, but an indication that he was admired by some.

Originally Posted by 223nut

And I am certain that not all of these were licence holders!!!

Sweet F A then? I think it's a very safe country for massacres, in the states I think more than two is a massacre, now just to totally screw this server, list all the murders and all the road deaths since 1941 just to put that in perspective?

Originally Posted by 223nut

And I am certain that not all of these were licence holders!!!

That doesn't count for Oconner

Originally Posted by systolic

Four cops shot in Kawerau a few months ago.

How about the guy that killed the two women in the Ashburton Work and Income office?

Ashburton Work and Income shooter Russell John Tully sentenced to life with 27 years non-parole | Stuff.co.nz

Or that guy Mowatt who fired 29 shots to kill his ex girlfriend and her new boyfriend in Papakura a couple of years ago? Licenced firearms owner.

The Bedroom Murders: 29 shots, 3 people dead. Why? - National - NZ Herald News

Four shot and one killed in Napier in 2009.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Napier_shootings

Six killed with a shotgun in Raurimu in 1997.

crime.co.nz

Five shot dead in the Bain family murders in 1994.

Six more killed by that bloke Schlaepfer near Pukekohe in 1992. Farmer with his shotgun and a knife.

Stanley Graham in 1941 on the west coast. Shot and killed seven others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanle...of_the_rampage

That's just off the top of my head. There were more people maimed by guns in the same incidents.

how many had current licenses.

Originally Posted by systolic

Four cops shot in Kawerau a few months ago.

How about the guy that killed the two women in the Ashburton Work and Income office?

Ashburton Work and Income shooter Russell John Tully sentenced to life with 27 years non-parole | Stuff.co.nz

Or that guy Mowatt who fired 29 shots to kill his ex girlfriend and her new boyfriend in Papakura a couple of years ago? Licenced firearms owner.

The Bedroom Murders: 29 shots, 3 people dead. Why? - National - NZ Herald News

Four shot and one killed in Napier in 2009.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Napier_shootings

Six killed with a shotgun in Raurimu in 1997.

crime.co.nz

Five shot dead in the Bain family murders in 1994.

Six more killed by that bloke Schlaepfer near Pukekohe in 1992. Farmer with his shotgun and a knife.

Stanley Graham in 1941 on the west coast. Shot and killed seven others.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanle...of_the_rampage

That's just off the top of my head. There were more people maimed by guns in the same incidents.

how many had current licenses.

Originally Posted by systolic

Four cops shot in Kawerau a few months ago.

Illegally possessed stolen firearm.

How about the guy that killed the two women in the Ashburton Work and Income office?

Illegally possessed stolen firearm.

Or that guy Mowatt who fired 29 shots to kill his ex girlfriend and her new boyfriend in Papakura a couple of years ago? Licenced firearms owner

A double murder, while tragic, is not a mass killing by any definition. Neither is a single suicide. Combining the two to be a mass murder is disingenuous.

Four shot and one killed in Napier in 2009.

Illegally possessed firearms.

Six killed with a shotgun in Raurimu in 1997.

A mass shooting by mentally ill person. Stephens own FAL was revoked, he stole his fathers shotgun and used that.

Five shot dead in the Bain family murders in 1994.

A mass shooting by an unknown person. Firearms not stored in a safe.

Something that happened in 1941 to bolster your argument is pretty feeble tbh.

Do you spot the theme though ? Illegally possessed firearms. People choosing to break the law. And Police own admission of a falling rate of resolution for crimes against property, dropping down to almost 10%. That means 90% of burglary IS NOT SOLVED.

If you're worried about ISIS followers going all Allah on us, spot something funny in this article on Stuff.
Muslim Association concerned with Auckland man's ISIS support claims | Stuff.co.nz
In the photo, he's posing with an airsoft AK.

Originally Posted by Kscott

Illegally possessed stolen firearm.


Illegally possessed stolen firearm.


A double murder, while tragic, is not a mass killing by any definition. Neither is a single suicide. Combining the two to be a mass murder is disingenuous.


Illegally possessed firearms.


A mass shooting by mentally ill person. Stephens own FAL was revoked, he stole his fathers shotgun and used that.


A mass shooting by an unknown person. Firearms not stored in a safe.

Something that happened in 1941 to bolster your argument is pretty feeble tbh.

Do you spot the theme though ? Illegally possessed firearms. People choosing to break the law. And Police own admission of a falling rate of resolution for crimes against property, dropping down to almost 10%. That means 90% of burglary IS NOT SOLVED.

If you're worried about ISIS followers going all Allah on us, spot something funny in this article on Stuff.
Muslim Association concerned with Auckland man's ISIS support claims | Stuff.co.nz
In the photo, he's posing with an airsoft AK.

Here in the United States; Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook Killer. Got his guns by killing his mother and then breaking into the safe that his mother kept them secured in.

Gunmaker Kalashnikov opens souvneir store at Moscow airport | Stuff.co.nz
Branch rumored for AI airport.....

Originally Posted by Kscott

Illegally possessed stolen firearm.


Illegally possessed stolen firearm.


A double murder, while tragic, is not a mass killing by any definition. Neither is a single suicide. Combining the two to be a mass murder is disingenuous.


Illegally possessed firearms.


A mass shooting by mentally ill person. Stephens own FAL was revoked, he stole his fathers shotgun and used that.


A mass shooting by an unknown person. Firearms not stored in a safe.

Something that happened in 1941 to bolster your argument is pretty feeble tbh.

Do you spot the theme though ? Illegally possessed firearms. People choosing to break the law. And Police own admission of a falling rate of resolution for crimes against property, dropping down to almost 10%. That means 90% of burglary IS NOT SOLVED.

If you're worried about ISIS followers going all Allah on us, spot something funny in this article on Stuff.
Muslim Association concerned with Auckland man's ISIS support claims | Stuff.co.nz
In the photo, he's posing with an airsoft AK.

I said New Zealand had a long history of multiple shootings. Any more than one is multiple.

Although I'm not sure the family and friends of Trevor Waite and Glenys Stanton would be comforted that their loved ones were killed in a 'double' murder, not a 'mass' murder by a licenced firearm owner.

The murder of seven people by a licenced firearm owner in 1941 is just as relevant today as it was in 1941. The victims are still as dead, even though they are forgotten by most people. Like most have forgotten the victims in Paerata when Schlaepfer killed his family.

Originally Posted by systolic

I said New Zealand had a long history of multiple shootings. Any more than one is multiple.

Although I'm not sure the family and friends of Trevor Waite and Glenys Stanton would be comforted that their loved ones were killed in a 'double' murder, not a 'mass' murder by a licenced firearm owner.

The murder of seven people by a licenced firearm owner in 1941 is just as relevant today as it was in 1941. The victims are still as dead, even though they are forgotten by most people. Like most have forgotten the victims in Paerata when Schlaepfer killed his family.

No it isnt, the legislation and society have both changed in 70 years.

Originally Posted by systolic

The murder of seven people by a licenced firearm owner in 1941 is just as relevant today as it was in 1941.

I guess it is relevant to the panic-stricken fearmongering claims of certain individuals that gun crime is an accelerating modern phenomenon.

Originally Posted by systolic

I said New Zealand had a long history of multiple shootings. Any more than one is multiple.

Although I'm not sure the family and friends of Trevor Waite and Glenys Stanton would be comforted that their loved ones were killed in a 'double' murder, not a 'mass' murder by a licenced firearm owner.

The murder of seven people by a licenced firearm owner in 1941 is just as relevant today as it was in 1941. The victims are still as dead, even though they are forgotten by most people. Like most have forgotten the victims in Paerata when Schlaepfer killed his family.

Then unfortunately no amount of common sense presented to you will dis-sway you from your position. Each to their own.