OK, buying ammo isn't an activating event for the firearms registry.
But how about an online purchase? You need to get the Police form sorted out and that means you have interacted with the Police.
So is that an activating event?
Thanks.
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OK, buying ammo isn't an activating event for the firearms registry.
But how about an online purchase? You need to get the Police form sorted out and that means you have interacted with the Police.
So is that an activating event?
Thanks.
i really dont think anyone knows, they just all interpret at a whim and the facts dont matter
The way I read it, is yes, if you get a permit processed -regardless of what its for - it is an activating circumstance.
Yes
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Getting a mail order permit is an activating circumstance (so I'm reliably informed). I think an import permit is the same - in these cases its the compliance interaction with the regulator.
Oh Bum! That's OK...I can get ammo locally anyway.
Just thought I might try some different makes of rimfire ammo.
Thanks guys.
PM sent if I can helpQuote:
Originally Posted by Grey Kiwi
The mail order form is the triggering event. Not the ammunition purchase.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grey Kiwi
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The evil deceitful pricks conveniently left that out of the activating circumstances prior to registration going live! I was going to buy a couple Anschutz rimfire mags off Reloaders Supplies before registration came in, I checked the website and it only said restricted magazines triggered registration, so not being a restricted mag and being short of money at the time I didn't bother thinking I'd be fine to buy some later on, kicking my self now! Maybe some GC in Auckland may just accidentally buy a couple that they then don't require and want to give them away? I'd be more than happy to pay the $330 for postage, wink wink.
No it isn't. Getting a police mail order form is not an activating event. It is all quite clearly written on their website what the activating events are.
Don't forget Labour make up the rules as they go to suit themselves! "Labour- In it for ourselves"Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnDuxbury
i thought it was "RU-In It For You"Quote:
Originally Posted by Bert 71
From
https://www.firearmssafetyauthority....ms-law-changes
"When arms items must be registered
The regulations specify the “activating circumstances” that will trigger licence holders to engage with the Registry, including when licence holders:
apply for a licence or an endorsement
have a change in circumstances, such as a change of address
sell or supply, purchase or receive, import, export, manufacture or modify an arms item
report the theft, loss or destruction of an arms item
import ammunition
sell ammunition (dealers and ammunition sellers only)
purchase ammunition after 24 June 2025, or
are subject to compliance or enforcement action by Police under the Act or regulations."
From
https://www.firearmssafetyauthority....our-arms-items
"When you purchase ammunition – from 24 June 2025
The first time you purchase ammunition from 24 June 2025, you must register all arms items in your possession within 30 days of this activating circumstance.
You do not need to register the ammunition itself."
Mail order form for a suppressor is an activating event. I tried to talk to the AO about this but there were no ifs, buts, maybes.
The email you receive has this detailed and by then it's too late.
So expect the same for ammo
Getting a mail order permit is not an activating event though getting an import permit is. As for buying ammunition by mail order our club had it confirmed that purchasing ammunition by mail order is NOT an activating event, yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
A suppressor is classified as an arms item so the purchase is the activating event. Not the form.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel
A suppressor isn't an arms item when it comes to the register, it's not an activating event to buy one in person. I was told it's the mail order specifically that was the trigger not the item
Unfortunately easier to just give in and do it
I can only pass on my experience and let you decide for yourself
My comment above was based on the definition from
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/.../DLM72627.html where it shows a 'silencer' to be a 'part'.
No wonder there are so many differing thoughts out there. All as clear as mud.
essentially the "rules" are what ever they make them on the day no matter what the legislation actually says it really means nothing unless you want the hassle and expense of engaging a lawyer and proving you were correct.......... for most of us its easier to just "tow the line" or not buy anything.
They have a different definition of a major part for the register
Either way, agreed and I expect some intentional blurring of lines just to get the numbers up
Unfortunately the register isn't going away
Onwards and upwards
Well I had to get import paperwork for a magazine from Canada. Permit beat the deadline so that was OK but once the magazine hits the country that does trigger registration even though it wouldn't if I bought it from a shop.
Little sneaky tricks and typical inconsistency
And to make it worse the importer isn't getting back to me since I sent the NZ paperwork.
If you want to avoid registering your firearms this is the only option.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikee
Why take the gamble if you are deadset to not register anything?
I stand corrected, apologies for spreading misinformation. I could swear I read that mail order forms was an activating event and I'm completely wrong.
Somedays I think I wake up in a parallel universe were different things have happened.
My understanding from others reported experiences is that getting a mail order permit (a 'compliance interaction') is an activating circumstance? Even if the part isn't a registration item i.e. ammo or a suppressor that requires a mail order permit, the interaction to get the permit is what is the activating circumstance. I had to be a referee for someone, and I checked with that with them but no that isn't one...
Recent story , I m not sure if it is 100% true in the details, but here it is anyway:
A guy in north island sees on the net some ammo sold by a gun shop in South Island .
He contacts a local gunshop in the north island, ask if they could buy the ammo and then he would buy it off them in person. North island gunshop agrees and get the ammo. The guy gets the ammo from the north gunshop in person with his gun licence.
A little bit later, he receives a first email from registry authorities saying that he had triggered an event and needed to register his guns.
He ignored that email, treating it as a spam. He receives another email a week later . He replied that he didn’t think it triggered anything provided the circumstances. A week later receive another email saying that the cop will be there to pick up his guns within a week if he does not act immediately. So the guy did not want to fight back anymore and registered all his guns. And he is bit gutted now that he knows what he knows…
I brought ammunition from a shop and had a activation email within 5 minutesQuote:
Originally Posted by Friwi
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So what did you do?
I'm lost for words. That's not supposed to happen until next year?Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
Just been doing a bit of googling on the issue, the FSA website is next to useless. Gunworks have gone to the effort of contacting the FSA to clarify some of these issues, the have it on there website menu under Registry Info, very helpful indeed. I wonder if COLFO have any further information. Anyone seeking legal assistance with anything firearms related, Nicholas Taylor, Barrister specializes in firearms law, at www.firearmslawyer.co.nz , mob 021362163. He had an article on COLFO'S page on Facebook a while back, probably the best person in the country to interpret gibberish known as the NZ Firearms laws.
Indeed, it's written in black and white, just yet another case of the aNZ Police making up the law to suit themselves!Quote:
Originally Posted by Squirrel
Tried many times to register but failed. Apparently, I don't actually existQuote:
Originally Posted by Friwi
I'm not too worried there is a paper trail that I've tried to do my part
Nothing to hide if they decide to come door knocking
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Vindication. Many thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Happy Jack
@7mmsaum, perhaps a sticky is warranted?
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Im buying ammo on a weekly basis from lgs. No activation has happened yet...
I'm a little at a loss on how that works. When you buy a firearm here at GC we do the dealer transaction bit on the FSA which will tie the purchase to your licence # then activate you for the registration. If you buy ammo though we don't do anything on the FSA side and only internally. How does the FSA know you bought ammo from whatever store? There's no way to do ammo on the Dealer transaction page on the FSA.Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
Not forgetting the issue here folks...yes you can go to local gunshop and buy ammo. That is not an activating event.
My question was...that if buying online then you need a Police Mail Order Form signed by local Copper.
You have now 'interacted with Police', and seems that would trigger an 'event'.
But the Gunworks link (above) doesn't mention that it is an 'event'.
Looks like the answer is "maybe"Quote:
Originally Posted by Grey Kiwi
So basing it on that theory if you are a referee for someone Elses firearm license you have interacted with Police so that is an activating event for you!. NO being a referee or getting a mail order is not an activating event. With a mail order it is the item you wish to receive. The purchase of ammunition is not an activating event either over the counter or by mail order till June 2025.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grey Kiwi
We need to be buying from these stores or they won`t be around when we want them.
From the Gunworks page, near the bottom (I think asterix #4 or 5 from the bottom):
*If you are subject to any arms-related compliance or enforcement action by Police you must register all arms items in your possession within 30 days.
My understanding of it is that from people who have got the forms - the mail order form is the compliance action, and that people who have done this are required to register within 30 days from the receipt of the form...