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    Clarification question on firearms law and policy

    In making the effort to fully understand and comply with firearms law I've been encountering a lot of contradictory information. In the interest of being safe and law abiding I want to understand the law which starts with figuring out what to read, and how they fit together.

    1) Am I correct in understanding that the Arms Act 1983 No44, as of March 1 2017, and the Arms Act Amendment 1992 are the sole and only two legally binding pieces of legislation in New Zealand? By this I mean: they were passed through parliament and are legally recognized as the only firearm specific laws of the country?


    Arms Act 1983 No44, as of March 1 2017
    Arms Act 1983 No 44 (as at 01 March 2017), Public Act Contents – New Zealand Legislation
    Arms Act Amendment 1992
    Arms Act 1983 No 44 (as at 01 March 2017), Public Act 1 Short Title and commencement – New Zealand Legislation



    2) The Arms Code 2013, and Arms Manual, are summaries of the Arms Act and Amendment 1983 and 1992, with interpretation by the NZ Police? The interpretation of the law may exceed the specific statements of the law but be enforced as policy?

    Arms Code 2013
    http://www.police.govt.nz/sites/defa...-code-2013.pdf
    and the Arms Manual is a reference manual for officers and public officials in regards to firearms?
    http://www.police.govt.nz/sites/defa...anual-2002.pdf



    Are these correct assessments?
    Are there any other acts, statements or bulletins that are needed to get a complete picture of the law?

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    there is what is tested in court and what isn't, the powers that be can make up what they like hoping no one has the money or ball's to challange.
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    ask @systolic
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    Pritty sure it's the Arms acts that are law the code is just how the police have interpreted that law. So as you have posted
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    Quote Originally Posted by 40mm View Post
    No need he will throw his 2 cents in regardless
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    Don't forget the Arms Regulations 1992
    Arms Regulations 1992 (SR 1992/346) (as at 01 July 2017) Contents – New Zealand Legislation

    There are various other bits and pieces through other acts such as the Domestic Violence Act, Search and Surviellance Act, Land Transport Act etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by nzfubz View Post
    No need he will throw his 2 cents in regardless
    Probably call someone a fucking idiot too.
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    @Tommy, get your popcorn
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    Quote Originally Posted by 40mm View Post
    Probably call someone a fucking idiot too.
    He is perfect remember so is entitled to call who he wants what he wants.

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    ok, thats enough bashing, he is not online so cannot defend his honor!
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    COLFO have published a summary of relevant case law too. Worth reading.

    http://www.colfo.org.nz/case-law.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage1 View Post
    Don't forget the Arms Regulations 1992
    Arms Regulations 1992 (SR 1992/346) (as at 01 July 2017) Contents €“ New Zealand Legislation

    There are various other bits and pieces through other acts such as the Domestic Violence Act, Search and Surviellance Act, Land Transport Act etc
    Fantastic - I knew I was going to miss something. It's a pity I can't edit the original post, it would be good to have a stickied post at the beginning of the forum so people can find all the relevant laws in one section and read them if they so choose.

    Quote Originally Posted by stretch View Post
    COLFO have published a summary of relevant case law too. Worth reading.

    Case Law
    Thanks stretch - good to see how the laws come into effect in reality as well.

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    double post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage1 View Post
    Don't forget the Arms Regulations 1992
    Arms Regulations 1992 (SR 1992/346) (as at 01 July 2017) Contents €“ New Zealand Legislation

    There are various other bits and pieces through other acts such as the Domestic Violence Act, Search and Surviellance Act, Land Transport Act etc
    Some of those (not all) etc are:

    Aviation Crimes Act 1972 - Punishments for trying to take a firearm in security enhanced/sterile areas and aircraft.

    Corrections Act 2004 - Pest control etc on prison grounds by a FAL holder who is also an officer or staff member. (Section 86 Possession, carriage, and use of firearms restricted)

    Crimes Act 1961 - Things like increased sentences for using a firearm against law enforcement.

    Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms—Pistol Grips) Order 2013 - We all know what that is.

    Health and Safety at Work (Hazardous Substances) Regulations 2017 - Smokless powder possession. (Less than 15kg for a licensed firearm dealer)

    Wild Animal Control Act 1977 - Poaching laws. Let's a warranted officer legally request an offenders full name, address, drivers license, firearm serial number, dog registration number, or "any other means of identification". If not supplied, can be cautioned or arrested.

    Domestic Violence (General) Regulations 1996 (Basically added to the Domestic Violence Act 1995 by order in council) - Suspension of and requirement to hand in FAL when issued with a Police safety order.

    Sentencing Regulations 2002 - Protection orders - Musn't have control of any weapon and must not have a firearm license.

    Te Urewera Act 2014 - Te Urewera has it's own law saying you can't have a firearm there without being authorised under the act.

    Customs and Excise Act 2018 - Firearm is a "dangerous item" in this act, lots to go over, read yourself if interested.

    About all I can come up with that is even slightly relevant to anyone.

    Lots of other random crap like Tokelau Police Regulations 1989.

    Hey Savage, what is there in the land transport act that has to do with firearms? A quick search only brought up that you're unable to get a passenger license if you have committed arms offences.

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    @Jexla, land transport act deals with prohibition on loaded firearms in vehicles.
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