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There are ways around that little problem, and a useful side effect is the possibility of a significant reduction in the ability of the person doing it to reproduce.......Quote:
Originally Posted by 10-Ring
Imagine if they started doing that micro chipping guns in the States. The heavily armed Jesus loving survivalists would have a melt down .Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilli_Dog
and quite reasonably, because the idea is fucking retardedQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
Have you read it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Daggers_187
I see the usual lack going on. You lot do realize why safes/lockups were initially bought in? Nothing to do with security and everything to do with stopping kids playing with guns....
Don't have kids and never have them over, does that mean I can have them sitting in the open....? No and I don't mind having them in a safe, piece of mind when I'm not home and someone breaks inQuote:
Originally Posted by Wirehunt
Oh there is big kids around too.
And the laws have been spectacularly effective in this regardQuote:
Originally Posted by Wirehunt
Sir, you are a poet. Couldn't agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimp
Monitored alarm is a good piece of mind. I have seen a 3mm steel gun cabinet attacked with an axe and after repeated blows (stuffed the axe) the frame by the top of the door was dented in some but it did not open. This safe only had two locking pins by the lock so even the cheaper safes seem to be able to take a pounding. I think most people who value there firearms will do the best they can to protect them.
Have you lot not heard of battery grinders? Have a hole in a flash safe in minutes, not many of them. Of course if there is power handy a 9" will do a safe fucking fast. Hot knife through butter.
Yea, a good safe is only going to stop a theft who is not prepared.regardless of category its certified for. But a unprepared theft should not be able to kick open a safe like some of the stuff that being used-a bike lock would actually be more secure than some of that.
[QUOTE=Mooseman;505695]Monitored alarm is a good piece of mind. I have seen a 3mm steel gun cabinet attacked with an axe and after repeated blows (stuffed the axe) the frame by the top of the door was dented in some but it did not open. This safe only had two locking pins by the lock so even the cheaper safes seem to be able to take a pounding.
Monitored alarms are useless unless the security company is instructed to call the police on activation and then the police actually turn up in a reasonable time.
What do you think a security guard is going to do if he catches someone taking your stuff if he even turns up in a reasonable amount of time.
He's legally not allowed to lay a hand on him, nor are you if you caught him.
Protection of property laws only allow you or someone else to go as far as pulling the item off them.
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by Mooseman
If they're in your garage/house wtf do they need a battery grinder for? Ain't no lock on your power plugs is there? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Wirehunt
i have installed alarm systems for a damn long time, monitoring is fine providing that the security response can get there asap. nothing beats good neighbors for keeping an eye out though and the best thing is too make allot!!!! of noise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mooseman
I work in the telco industry and never seen an alarm company make a follow up with a customer whenever I've done something to set it off. Some customers are extremely aggrieved when they realise.
firstly i am not associated with any monitoring companyQuote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
but here in shaky town the only monitoring company that ever asked me for a password every time i rang them top put an alarm in "test mode" was code 9. some of the others did occasionally and some never asked at all
Agree with Gonetropo, neighbours are good value for keeping an eye and ear out. I would hope that an activated alarm would send the p*#%ks running before they got into the safe but as stated there is not a lot more you can do to protect your firearms.
Won't be getting in to my safe easily... 4 gauge steel welded around reinforced concrete with steel meshing imbedded through all concrete plains among a myriad of other security measures put in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wirehunt
Half a stick of power gel taped to one side?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
9 inch grinder, cut wheel, three minutes tops.
Yes we all know that if your determined enough, you can break into anything, but we all still lock our cars and house doors.
I wonder if we all had safes like this https://trademe.co.nz/1147254693 if it would make any difference?
Please note I'm not saying that I think we should
I cant see anyone running off with a safe like that!Quote:
Originally Posted by res
I guess if someone really wanted to get into it they would just hold a knife to your throat and ask you nicely to unlock it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rwt
Always let my neighbours know when/how long we're going to be away.
Living in a dead-end street, with 7 houses on it - pretty good security.
Plus we all have contact numbers for each other's cellphones, so any 'suspicious activity', is checked out immediately.
At least 3-4 of us are always home, so - for me - best, cheapest security of all.
Have only phoned a neighbour once - turned out it was his son borrowing his trailer - which he'd forgotten to let us all know about.
Most theft is opportunistic, so if it looks 'too hard', they'll leave if be.
Have only had one suspicious looking vehicle in the street, when I walked out of the back shed and took a photo, it disappeared very quickly (smoking tyres to boot).
Never had any similar incidents since - word gets around the 'break in' crews.
The African way! Don't break into shit, make the owners open it for you!Quote:
Originally Posted by GravelBen
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