Thread: E cat safe/safe room options

What about customs checking 1 in 10 shipping containers or whatever it is. That's a joke. Surely that would contribute numbers to the black market?

As for claiming that the govt wouldn't bother to come get our guns - What if a future government put a total ban on MSSA's what resources do you think they will use to track down where they are???

Lets face it @Savage1 firearm registration sucks balls.

@Jexla, the childish comment wasn't aimed at you or anybody else in particular, I actually think your style of post has somewhat improved lately but with a few still being unnecessarily obtuse, but I guess that's just your style.

The problem with your idea is that it doesn't discourage a FAL holder from buying legally and selling to unlicenced people, which would be one of the main goals of a database.

Decent firearms are actually worth more on the black market, paticulary amongst gangs who have huge amounts of cash available, pistols are 5-10k+. But yes if you're outside those circles it would be hard to get that kind of money for them.

As for your final question @timattalon I'm not sure anyone could answer that with any kind of certainty.

Originally Posted by Savage1

@Jexla,
The problem with your idea is that it doesn't discourage a FAL holder from buying legally and selling to unlicenced people, which would be one of the main goals of a database.

Decent firearms are actually worth more on the black market, paticulary amongst gangs who have huge amounts of cash available, pistols are 5-10k+. But yes if you're outside those circles it would be hard to get that kind of money for them.

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Repercussions (such as prison and big fines)are the only deterrent to people who would do such a thing. The database would do nothing. The pool of black market firearms are where they would come from, if 60% compliance (what I've read Canada achieved after a quarter century), then at 40% of 3 million firearms, that's 1.2 million black market circulation.

I still see no point in creating more bureaucracy that will do nothing to those who would flaunt it. Enforce the laws we already have.

Originally Posted by Savage1

@Jexla, the childish comment wasn't aimed at you or anybody else in particular, I actually think your style of post has somewhat improved lately but with a few still being unnecessarily obtuse, but I guess that's just your style.

The problem with your idea is that it doesn't discourage a FAL holder from buying legally and selling to unlicenced people, which would be one of the main goals of a database.

Decent firearms are actually worth more on the black market, paticulary amongst gangs who have huge amounts of cash available, pistols are 5-10k+. But yes if you're outside those circles it would be hard to get that kind of money for them.

As for your final question @timattalon I'm not sure anyone could answer that with any kind of certainty.

That is, in part, my point. I see it as a potential unforeseen (but not unforeseeable) consequence of enacting those law changes. I dont disagree that those changes were well intentioned, but I think the changes were made by people who did not have a complete understanding of firearms and the issues around them. A lot of these issues arise because of the lack of knowledge around firearms within the "anti-brigade" who are involved and refuse to understand because they "already know" everything. It is called the "Backfire effect" and can be very difficult to overcome. https://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/06...ckfire-effect/

Serious question regarding dodgy sales. Wiĺl registration deter gang members from selling off or having their guns stolen? If it is to get a patch or raise their status in the gang, are they gonna care if they get caught, especially with our wet bus ticket sentencing? Is their not something that can be addressed to prevent such people being deemed fit and proper?

Another thing to consider, people speak as if we have a massive problem with gun crime, but other than inner city shit kickers robbing liquor stores, and drug dealers having a stash of guns, where are all the shootings? Yes there are probably a reasonable amount of guns in criminal hands but by far and large they seem to be sitting unused, not a direct threat to the public at large.

I'd have to agree with what @Beavis said, gun crime in NZ is so minuscule you would wonder why it's even talked about... But unfortunately due to hidden agendas behind the mass media and govt it seems to be frequently "hyped up" & sensationalized in the media and the Police Association. Reason being and scrutiny of FAL holders because of this is all guessing games.

Whether this all has a connection that ties to the UN civilian disarmament regime is probably no coincidence I might add.

If there was a gang / general criminal related firearm problem that was as bad as the Police Association claims it to be, we'd be reading about countless gang members taking the room temperature challenge. They have not provided any statistical data to substantiate their claims.

Gang members do not want to engage in massive gunfights because it will attract police attention and in a country this small, even gang members aren't stupid enough to do that, particularly with the surveillance techniques, technology and legislation available to Police. If gang members have MSSA and pistols, does this not prove that registration doesn't work?

What then is the problem - and why are licensed firearm owners continually lined up for further "analysis" and "review" of firearm laws?

Let's see some statistics from Police which show:

1. Number of firearms stolen
2. Types of firearms stolen
3. Number of firearms recovered and can be connected to a crime (i.e. registered firearms)

Then I'll be happy to analyse the data and consider if - in my opinion - further legislation is required.

Couple of things that may be of interest

https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/20...e-gun-records/

https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/20...-registration/

Originally Posted by Beavis

Couple of things that may be of interest

https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/20...e-gun-records/

https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/20...-registration/

And the police wonder why nz shooters have growing animosity to them?
Unbelievable.

Hey fellas,

Don't mean to necro this thread but it was somewhat better than starting a new thead and hopefully we get away from the discussion that has dominated this thread.

If I've a out-house or hobbies room as you call it, situated in front of the house with access via a lockable security door screen and a deadbolt door lock There is a rear door but it has a deadbolt door lock. The exterior is weather-board in construction with insulation in the roof and walls, covered by gypboard/plaster. The out-house is on a concrete pad with carpet. The overall size is rectangle with 4 windows with security latches installed and the room is an empty slate with nothing inside.

My question is reading the room's description, how would I make it compliant (room of stout construction) for my E & B category firearms? I can install grilles on the inside of the windows. I can alarm the outhouse. I will fix my safe into the concrete floor. Should I put concrete blocks with steel mesh to strengthen the entire house or should I just build a strong room inside the outhouse with the required specs so its a room locked within a room and keep my costs lower?

Cheers for reading I know its quite late!

The vetting officer came along tonight after giving me 10 mins prior notice to check my security (dont get me started on this). He was overall pleasant.

Checked my security arrangements and then proceeded to ask where are my As which I advised - sorry not here! But the ones you need to check are here. In the end passed the inspection but was still trying to ask where my As were.

Nosey bugger

It really is luck of the draw as to where in the country you are located that gives you good inspectors or bad

Wgtn one (here at least) is very chilled


Also your post has reminded me - I need to take pics of my latest firearms and copy them to a USB stick which I can store in my mates' safe so cheers for that

Originally Posted by 308

Nosey bugger

It really is luck of the draw as to where in the country you are located that gives you good inspectors or bad

Wgtn one (here at least) is very chilled


Also your post has reminded me - I need to take pics of my latest firearms and copy them to a USB stick which I can store in my mates' safe so cheers for that

I am in Wgtn too... clearly YMMV