Farmer feels isolated from mates after losing firearms licence during depression

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Originally Posted by gonetropo

hate to think of the recoil

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@gonetropo

Recoil is very light because of the weight, but no follow-up shot possible on wildlife as the Zenit mirror is a loud clacker.

Nice feature is the ambidextrous front horizontal knob that you can turn with your non-trigger hand to do the focusing. The middle knob (just forwards of the trigger) is for attaching the telephoto lens to the forestock. It's a heavy piece of military grade camera intimidation. Suspect it was to take pics of demonstrators... "we know who you are" kind of stuff.

But sadly not a camera you'd want to bring to a Royal Wedding, or Obama's visit. But you are allowed to leave it in your car unattended.

Gentleman i will contradict all said on here specifically because im in possession of factual evidence.no im not going to reveal to barroom lawyers voyeurs wannabe psychiatrists(you know who you are ,but if any one wantsa to PM me ,I may be inclined to spring a suprise or two depending on who you are. furthermore I will state unequivocally those who think suicide is soley the domain of thje mentally ill-think again
somewher in the deepest darkest recesses of our psyche lurks a little black cupboard-it onlly takes a specific set of cicumstancesand a split second to unlock that and often tragedy is the result.
ever heard"oh shit no it cant be -theyd never do it.!'
bears thinking about.

@kotuku yes over the years while I haven't had the suicide demon bite to close to my family and friends, it has been a kicker.
From the old school mate that I hadn't seen in years who always was a troubled soul and while on home suicide watch managed to do the deed only hours before his next counselling session to the guy I played football against having a few beers after touch and seemingly ok, his bro finding him the next morning. Over his girlfriend no less.
While the final outcome is the same it still is a bugger.
In one of my earlier deep thought stages years ago I worked out it basically comes down to what you have suggested about that little dark place.
Once our wonderfully complicated brain decides that the issue in question can over-ride our normal human response for self preservation, its a slippery slope to a distressing end.

So, what's the old Japanese word for "I'm deeply, deeply ashamed and humiliated, disgrace to ancestors and family, my face lost"?

harikari aka ritual suicide-an integral teaching of the samurai.it is the exception to this discussion though ive wondered when some one would pipe up with this.
there is a not so subtle difference here -this was an expectation on defeat not an impulsive action of a person in the thores of fright flight flight we are discussing .

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Originally Posted by kotuku

Harakiri aka ritual suicide-an integral teaching of the samurai.it is the exception to this discussion though ive wondered when some one would pipe up with this.
there is a not so subtle difference here -this was an expectation on defeat not an impulsive action of a person in the thores of fright flight flight we are discussing .

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IMHO harakiri is as relevant as it's ghastly, because it is about shame vs an honourable exit (or at least escaping shame). The farmer going broke, in debt, is defeated, out of options, and if I may say so, deeply ashamed. Shame leads to profound isolation from others. Asians are not the only ones vulnerable to loss of face. I heard someone say once that shame is the most powerful/destructive human emotion. Whether true or not, it's food for thought.

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Originally Posted by Cordite

IMHO harakiri is as relevant as it's ghastly, because it is about shame vs an honourable exit (or at least escaping shame). The farmer going broke, in debt, is defeated, out of options, and if I may say so, deeply ashamed. Shame leads to profound isolation from others. Asians are not the only ones vulnerable to loss of face. I heard someone say once that shame is the most powerful/destructive human emotion. Whether true or not, it's food for thought.

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Its difference lies in the fact it is a condition imposed by a systemic belief/ideology so it is an expectation forced upon a samurai for want of a better term the other POV relates purely to an individual whose perception of being in desperate circumstances(even if not so)sees them suicide to escape that particualr situation.a subtle difference but stilla difference no doubt.

right this is right on the button cause it relates to me personally .Im a nurse a FALholder and i have depression for which im on medication.
yup now its out there and Im not in the least worried.
Elrond-
tell ya mate to get himself to the GP-have a yarn to them get em to write a short statement to the effect that in spite of being depressed ,the patient is still fit to hold an FAL and use firearms.every time Im vetted it comes up and the hardcase vettor says".......... well ?????????
-"yup your lot are still welcome to read my medical files but dont blame me if some copper falls asleep after reading how many colds ive bloody well had.. etc etc!
next question when are you treating wife to dinner
-thats a standing oneliner!!
take that GP letter to the local AO and quote sec32.2 of police firearms manual which relates specifically to this!
I am dealing with similar at work and weve got the PFM sec off the police website.
if youre really a masochist you could download the whole manual of 160pages!!

+1 @kotuku Ive a mate that is in the same situation.

dont bloody thank me -i should be thankin all the hardcase good bastards on here. more variety than colours in the universe but knowledge-the original jewish gent could get a PhD in .303 ology by just readin the info on here-unsurpassed as a tertiary institution of commonsense