Thread: Firearm licencing

Originally Posted by CovertHunter

So I applied for my gun license December 2020 and recently got a letter saying I can now attend a Firearms Safety course IF I have a vaccine pass.
As I am unvaccinated (don't judge me) I cannot attend and I suppose that's the end of it as I have not been given any further information.

Is there anyone else here who has the same issue? and how does this effect renewal of gun licenses?

You should inquire whether the alternative of a negative Covid test will suffice.

My sons application went through, hes done the MS course and passed the test.....that was over 12mths now.
Still no interviews been done.

Depends on the region, licence and if its renewal or a new licence. I got my B-cat renewal back in about 3 months. My Mrs new B-cat took 5 months to come back.

Taking to the vetter that came around, Hawkes Bay is not too far behind but most of the delays are at the Kapati Main office end. They also lost a lot of vetters after they when to PDF's on laptops rather than paper, a lot of the older guys just stopped doing it as it was too much hassle.

Looking forward to when my privilege finally gets processed. March last year and waiting still...

I just dont understand why this is all taking so long. Councils have 20 days to process a building consent and those are far more complex than this. Heck, outsource it to them!

I got my renewal sorted before Christmas.

I applied mid May.

Got it mid December.

I'm also endorsed. New licences look a tad different.

Originally Posted by muzza

Because the govt agency tasked with doing this does not have the capacity ,or even the desire , to do this in a timely manner. Hopefully you will get disillusioned and go away , which reduces the waiting list.....

This. Make it as hard and as frustrating as possible so you give up and do something else. Police aren't accountable in regards to administration of the arms act, so do whatever they want

Originally Posted by T.FOYE

Looking forward to when my privilege finally gets processed. March last year and waiting still...

I just dont understand why this is all taking so long. Councils have 20 days to process a building consent and those are far more complex than this. Heck, outsource it to them!

Auckland district was in lockdown for about 4 months. No vetting was possible in that time. That didn't and doesn't help the backlog.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

Auckland district was in lockdown for about 4 months. No vetting was possible in that time. That didn't and doesn't help the backlog.

well new application since July 2020, no interview yet. this is auckland

Originally Posted by hakka_ranger

well new application since July 2020, no interview yet. this is auckland

You need to get on to that and find out why.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

You need to get on to that and find out why.

Yap I did call them and asked politely. The officers are nice people. Just standard answer, waiting for the vetting officer and many backlog etc, I already called like 4-5 times in these 1.5 years. Unfortunately, no progress as usual.

Yep you have to understand that Prior to the Mosque shooting the Police were actively looking to make the licencing system an online platform and a number of the vetting officers were told they would no longer be required. This was the plan, however port the shooting we have now seen increased legislation being drafted (poorly)which increases the scope of factors which need to be addressed when a firearms licence application is made. We have also seen the creation of additional licence categories and a reduction in the time a firearms licence is valid.
Governments draft legislation without any regard to the flow on consequences of any agency involved, in this case the Police. The Police budget was not increased to cover the additional work load, hence the issues everyone is now facing. This Government have no regard for firearms licence holders and could not care less about the issues licence holders are facing.
You also have to remember that internal Police Policy and focus is set by PNHQ and with a commissioner who is very political his focus will not be on rectifying this as they do not have the funding, nor is it a priority.

For those questioning about the renewal of a firearms licence, Section 25 (1) outlines the process of renewals)
A firearms licence comes into force on the date specified in the licence and,
unless revoked or surrendered earlier,—
(a) expires 5 years from that date in the case of—
(i) a licence issued to a person who has never previously held a firearms licence; or
(ii) a licence issued to a person whose previous licence was revoked
or surrendered; or
(iii) a licence issued to a person who allowed their previous licence to
expire without applying for a new licence before the expiry date:
(b) expires 10 years from that date in any other case

The problem here is that we all have 10 year licences, which the act does not cover, so while you are covered during your renewal of a 5 year licence, it does not mention the renewal of a 10 year licence as your licence expires after 10 years and there appears to be no grace period.
I would urge all licence holders to download the new arms legislation and have a good look at everything this new act encompasses.
Check out section 24A fit and proper person, pay attention to section (C) which outlines some of the other legislation which is now included in the fit and proper person assessment, these were added and include the following

A Fit and proper person to possess firearm or airgun
(1) For the purposes of this Act, a member of the Police may find a person is not a
fit and proper person to be in possession of a firearm or an airgun if the member of the Police is satisfied that 1 or more of the following circumstances
exist:
(a) the person is charged with or has been convicted of an offence in New
Zealand or overseas that is punishable by a term of imprisonment
(including, but not limited to, an offence involving violence, drugs, or
alcohol):
(b) the person is charged with or has been convicted of an offence under this
Act:
(c) the person is charged with or has been convicted of an offence against—
(i) section 231A of the Crimes Act 1961; or
(ii) the Game Animal Council Act 2013; or
(iii) the Wildlife Act 1953; or
(iv) the Wild Animal Control Act 1977:
2020 No 23 Arms Legislation Act 2020 Part 1 s 42
45
(d) the person has, or has had at any time, a temporary protection order
made against them under—
(i) section 79 of the Family Violence Act 2018; or
(ii) section 14 of the Domestic Violence Act 1995:

Its important to read the above acts and look at the interpretations at the start of each act as these define the legal scope covered by the act, you many be surprised how open these interpretations are and how wide ranging section 24A is.
Note the key phase used throughout this legislation which is charged or convicted, you are guilty until proven innocent in this case, once charged you are no longer deemed to be a fit and proper person. I understand why this is drafted like this but its has a very open scope, Unfortunately most offences are punishable by imprisonment, it not your sentencing, you may not have gone to prison but if the offence is punishable by imprisonment it can be used against you.

The key thing to remember is that make sure everything related to your security and use of firearms is in order so that if you find your self in the unfortunate position of having your fit and proper person status questioned you can mitigate things by displaying that you are a responsible firearms licence holder. Believe me this fit and proper person clause gives the Police a lot of scope to challenge your status if they so desire.

Originally Posted by hakka_ranger

Yap I did call them and asked politely. The officers are nice people. Just standard answer, waiting for the vetting officer and many backlog etc, I already called like 4-5 times in these 1.5 years. Unfortunately, no progress as usual.

‘Squeaky wheel’ time, keep phoning and or email about your licence, email is good as then there’s a written record of communication.

Local vetting officer passed away last week, he was a great guy, had something called logic.

There was a thread somewhere re safe capacity but cannot find it and add to it.
Just received this in a newsletter from Andrew Edgecombe Antique Arms, also member of the firearms committee -

I had a concerned party contact me regarding storage capacity of his safes as this was queried during his licence renewal process.

In my view capacity is something that will have numerous variables, what firearms are stored in said safe for example as some such as .22 boys rifles will take up little space and others such as scoped sporting rifles or fully wooded .303’s will take more room to store, also rifles can be “ top and tailed” to maximise storage capacity. Thus overall capacity is quite hard to establish ( within reason). Currently there is no limit on storage or for that matter the number of firearms a person may own is the arms act. I expressed my concern at this question being asked and received the following reply.



Taking down the capacity of a safe is something that will become standard as we get into the registry and shouldn’t be something that anyone should be concerned about. For the example below, I’m not sure why our team member asked the question and would note that we have nowhere to record the information gained in any easily recoverable way from our current system.
ENDS

So it looks like we may need to declare storage capacity in future which may be able to be cross referenced against the firearms we have registered to us ( as police seem hell bent on registration despite the obvious deficiencies and potential for failure.)

Hang in there lads. I just had my interview and it was quite well done tbh. Wifey said the same. Very thorough and on point. Hopefully the wait times can come down under the TLS instead of lockdown levels thing.