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    Quote Originally Posted by mikee View Post
    Well watching that made me cringe....................all these years using my thumb to operate safety on my shotty....................I have been doing it incorrectly, Should have been using my trigger finger !!!! Wtf.
    Did you check the safety is on safe?
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    Update:

    After my last post where I had given up being patient and was trying to get hold of some answers I finally received an email response from the Police saying - "your application has been accepted and you will hear from the vetting officer shortly to arrange interviews..."

    Well that was outstanding, considering we had done the interviews some 4 months previously. Naturally I pointed this out. ***eye-roll moment*** I then received an email saying the application was now waiting to be audited followed by a second email a week later stating it was all approved and to expect the licence to arrive in about two weeks.

    Two weeks and two days later on Monday of this week, my daughter finaly received her 5-year FAL in the mail. Time taken from woah to go - ten and a half months.

    It is interesting to note that the date of expiry is approximately the date when I beleive the application was finally approved on the 21st July 2021, not back-dated to the time of the interviews or (thankfully) the original application date in September 2020. Phew!

    I'm very proud to add that for our family that's finally a "full house" so to speak... my wife, son, daughter and myself all now hold licences. YESSSSSS!

    Job done.

    Next: Renewals for the wife and I in 2023. Better start the process in January next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by small_caliber View Post
    These must be something new, Load is self explanatory and so is unload, "action" to me when talking about a firearm is the part of a rifle that the barrel, scope and stock are attached to and the only instant thing I can think of when mentioned in relation to a firearm is "instant gun blue" or instant coffee.

    To me, for simplicity a firearm is either loaded or unloaded so what are they now teaching new applicants?
    Those commands were introduced into the NZ defence Force in the late 1980's, when we transitioned from operating the SLR and the M16, to the Steyr. The Commands were definately different in the early 1980's. "Load, make ready, fire, make safe, unload" from memory.
    I think they are attempting to get commonality across Defence, Police and Civilan terminology when the handling of firearms is undertaken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikee View Post
    Well watching that made me cringe....................all these years using my thumb to operate safety on my shotty....................I have been doing it incorrectly, Should have been using my trigger finger !!!! Wtf.
    What he said.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by XR500 View Post
    Those commands were introduced into the NZ defence Force in the late 1980's, when we transitioned from operating the SLR and the M16, to the Steyr. The Commands were definately different in the early 1980's. "Load, make ready, fire, make safe, unload" from memory.
    I think they are attempting to get commonality across Defence, Police and Civilan terminology when the handling of firearms is undertaken.
    That raises the question of "Why", I am a RO and I don't use those commands on the range or when hunting, and the firearms owners I've talked to and asked if they know what these commands mean just stare at me blankly.

    As soon as any ammunition is put in a firearm it is "loaded" doesn't matter if it's in the magazine or the breach, and it's only "unloaded" (therefore safe) when there is no ammunition in the breach and the magazine.

    To me this is introducing complication into the "state" of a firearm and what problem are they trying to solve with this complication? What happened to "KISS"
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikee View Post
    Well watching that made me cringe....................all these years using my thumb to operate safety on my shotty....................I have been doing it incorrectly, Should have been using my trigger finger !!!! Wtf.
    I agree and wonder how they would explain all these states for a firearm that hasn't got a safety.

    The last question in the test is

    When handling a firearm containing live cartridges, when must you take extra care in case it unintentionally fires?

    When closing the action
    When decocking the firearm
    When releasing the safety catch
    All the above

    This indicates you have to be careful when handling a firearm when it's loaded regardless of "state"
    Last edited by small_caliber; 07-08-2021 at 10:29 PM.

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    Treat every firearm as loaded.
    Whats this 'state' of the firearm got to do with anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatberg View Post
    They are teaching this from the online modules:

    https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def...Nlv03DE4aruskl


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    It’s straight from cop training, right from the 90’s or earlier.

    Not so useful to hunters.

    Unless they’re cops?
    ‘Many of my bullets have died in vain’

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve123 View Post
    Did you check the safety is on safe?
    Yeah but it doesn't matter................ the safety doesn't work
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    If you got your first license back when they lasted 10 years, will a renewed license still be good for 10 years, or are they all 5 year licenses now??

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    Quote Originally Posted by small_caliber View Post
    Yeah but it doesn't matter................ the safety doesn't work
    So long as the safety was on safe and you used your trigger finger it's all good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frodo View Post
    If you got your first license back when they lasted 10 years, will a renewed license still be good for 10 years, or are they all 5 year licenses now??
    All renewals are 10 years, only new licenses are 5 years, and when those with a 5 yr license do their renewal it will be for 10 years (unless they change the rules again...).
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    I am painfully working my way through these modules for my upcoming test, I assumed this was standard practice but clearly NOT!

    It seems to me they think firearms owners are all idiots and they are now treating "us" accordingly.

    Make sure the safety is on SAFE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by small_caliber View Post
    That raises the question of "Why", I am a RO and I don't use those commands on the range or when hunting, and the firearms owners I've talked to and asked if they know what these commands mean just stare at me blankly.

    As soon as any ammunition is put in a firearm it is "loaded" doesn't matter if it's in the magazine or the breach, and it's only "unloaded" (therefore safe) when there is no ammunition in the breach and the magazine.

    To me this is introducing complication into the "state" of a firearm and what problem are they trying to solve with this complication? What happened to "KISS"
    a firearm IS ALWAYS LOADED...it may be empty of ammunition,but its always loaded....take the bolt out and its SAFE, plenty of action types you cannot take bolt out of,break opens when closed...ARE LOADED..... if muzzle is in safe direction...no one can be harmed....
    whats a safety catch????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micky Duck View Post
    a firearm IS ALWAYS LOADED...it may be empty of ammunition,but its always loaded....take the bolt out and its SAFE, plenty of action types you cannot take bolt out of,break opens when closed...ARE LOADED..... if muzzle is in safe direction...no one can be harmed....
    whats a safety catch????

    The safety catch is the thing you yank on with your trigger finger......the video shows that
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