Firearm and Public Health Seminar

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Firearms & public health, Summer School, University of Otago, Wellington, University of Otago, New Zealand

Wednesday 14 February 2018

Firearms policy is often hotly-contested. How can we find common ground? International and local speakers will explore and debate the public policy and other aspects of firearms in Aotearoa/ New Zealand and our region.

Owning firearms is common in New Zealand: estimates range from one to three million firearms in our population of 4.8 million. Firearm safety is an issue in public health because of gun-shot deaths and injuries and other health effects; some groups are more vulnerable than others. Numerous community and business groups and government agencies, such as the Police, have an interest in the importation, sale, use and safety of firearms. The diversity of the groups can make it challenging to find common ground. How are current firearms policies working and how might likely future directions affect health, safety and well-being? A revitalised public discussion about firearms is needed; this symposium is a timely contribution

Topics covered
The firearms scene in New Zealand, injury prevention and firearms safety training, issues of debate including licensing of owners and registration of firearms, gun culture, public health issues – is lead an issue?, Environmental issues, including hunting, among others. Recent research from University of Otago will be reported.

Style of course
This is a symposium-style course, which will include discussion. There will also be a workshop session in which participants will consider policy options for the future.

Who should attend?
People interested in public health and firearms, staff from central and local government agencies concerned with firearms, the environment and health, media workers wanting to an update on firearms issues.

Teaching staff
Speakers will include:

Marie Russell, University of Otago, Wellington - on preliminary results of recent research about firearms policy
Nicole McKee, Firearms Safety Specialists NZ Limited (FSS NZ) - on firearms safety training and related issues
Alexander Gillespie, University of Waikato - on current policy issues and recent developments
Philip Alpers - University of Sydney - on a public health view of firearms, and of suicide by firearms
Hera Cook, University of Otago, Wellington - on gun culture
Chris Cahill, New Zealand Police Association – on the police workers’ point of view
Don Rood, Fish & Game – on firearms and the environment
and others to be confirmed.

Course cost and registration
$300 early bird, $400 after 20 December 2017.

A 50% discount is available to full-time students, those unwaged and University of Otago staff.

wait for the media hype on this one

What the hell is this gun culture they keep going on about, I can't find it

What a rip off, stuff like this shouldn't be that expensive to attend.

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Originally Posted by Savage1

What a rip off, stuff like this shouldn't be that expensive to attend.

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agreed, its just so the well paid anti types can attend.

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Originally Posted by gonetropo

agreed, its just so the well paid anti types can attend.

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@berg243 and @gonetropo

More specifically, just the ones who get their ticket paid for them by their institutions.

I wonder if Chaz Forsyth of Dunedin will be invited to speak? Will someone email this to him?

This speaker will speak on "Gun Culture".

With all respect for her, she's probably just been asked to do a wee filler talk and felt unable to say no. But unless it's all about sex (going by her previous work - read at the bottom) she won't be providing an expert opinion:

Source Link: Hera Cook, Department of Public Health, Our People, University of Otago, Wellington, University of Otago, New Zealand

Hera Cook, Department of Public Health
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PhD, Modern History

Senior Lecturer

Contact Details
Research Interests and Activities
Publications
Contact Details

Tel: +64 4 918 6724
Fax: +64 4 389 5319
Email: hera.cook@otago.ac.nz


Research Interests and Activities

Hera is an historian with a PhD in Modern History from the University of Sussex. Her previous research has been on social change and female sexuality. Current research interests include the history of emotional management, inequalities and changing household forms. She is interested in supervising students in any of these areas. Hera convenes and teaches the post-graduate paper in Social Research Methods (PUBH708).


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Publications

Authored Book - Research
Chapter in Book - Research
Journal - Research Article

Authored Book - Research
Cook, H. (2004). The long sexual revolution: English women, sex, and contraception: 1800-1975. Oxford University Press, 426p.

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Chapter in Book - Research
Cook, H. (2015). Nova 1965-1970: Love, masculinity and feminism, but not as we know it. In A. Harris & T. W. Jones (Eds.), Love and romance in Britain, 1918-1970. (pp. 225-244). Palgrave Macmillan.

Cook, H. (2015). Complaining about therapy culture. In J. Reinarz & R. Wynter (Eds.), Complaints, controversies and grievances in medicine: Historical and social science perspectives. (pp. 56-74). Abingdon, Oxon: Routledge.

Cook, H. (2007). Teenage pregnancy in England: A historical perspective. In P. Baker, K. Guthrie, C. Hutchinson, R. Kane & K. Wellings (Eds.), Teenage pregnancy and reproductive health. (pp. 3-15). London: Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists.

Cook, H. (2006). Demography. In M. Houlbrook & H. Cocks (Eds.), Palgrave advances in the modern history of sexuality. (pp. 19-40). Basingstoke, UK: Palgrave Macmillan.

Cook, H. (2004). Sex and the doctors: The medicalization of sexuality as a two-way process in early to mid twentieth-century Britain. In C. Usborne & W. de Blécourt (Eds.), Cultural approaches to the history of medicine: Mediating medicine in early modern and modern Europe. (pp. 192-211). Basingstoke, UK: Palgrave Macmillan.

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Journal - Research Article
Cook, H. (2014). From controlling emotion to expressing feelings in mid-twentieth-century England. Journal of Social History, 47(3), 627-646. doi: 10.1093/jsh/sht107

Cook, H. (2014). Angela Carter's 'The Sadeian Woman' and female desire in England 1960-1975. Women's History Review, 23(6), 938-956. doi: 10.1080/09612025.2014.906840

Cook, H. (2012). Getting 'foolishly hot and bothered'? Parents and teachers and sex education in the 1940s. Sex Education, 12(5), 555-567. doi: 10.1080/14681811.2011.627735

Cook, H. (2012). Emotion, bodies, sexuality, and sex education in Edwardian England. Historical Journal, 55(2), 475-495. doi: 10.1017/S0018246X12000106

Cook, H. (2007). Sexuality and contraception in modern England: Doing the history of reproductive sexuality. Journal of Social History, 40(4), 915-932. doi: 10.1353/jsh.2007.0090

Cook, H. (2005). The English sexual revolution: Technology and social change. History Workshop Journal, 59(1), 109-128. doi: 10.1093/hwj/dbi009

Cook, H. (2000). Unseemly and unwomanly behaviour: Comparing women’s control of their fertility in Australia and England from 1890 to 1970. Journal of Population Research, 17(2), 125-141. doi: 10.1007/BF03029461

Every shooting discipline needs to have at least one representitive there IMO

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Originally Posted by shooternz

What the hell is this gun culture they keep going on about, I can't find it

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_gun_cultures

Opener of Wikipedia article on Global Gun Cultures (as opposed to specifically US Gun Culture):

"Gun cultures are found around the world, and evidence various attitudes towards guns in such places as the United States, Canada, Israel, United Kingdom, Switzerland, Yemen and Pakistan. Among the most studied and discussed global gun cultures is that of the gun culture in the United States.
Normally, gun culture is predominant in countries that have a strong traditional outdoor culture."

As a general point, gun culture and gun politics overlap.

jesus wept -philip alpers theres your 1st cock up there Anyone feel a big" oh no its a chris hipkins"coming on:sick:
can someone get on the blower to big cheese taxcinda and ask her to stop this quasi aussie at the border. :thumbsup:
anyone know of a rent a mob wanting a good day out and a spot of sport??:P:oh noes::yaeh am not durnk::thumbsup::ORLY:

I sincerely hope this Hera Cook knows the difference between a .303 and the trusty mutton gun /porkdagger /beef bayonet.both go bang and discharge a load!!:ORLY::redbullsmiley:
i vote we send rushy along as being ex RF military and a crusty SNCO hed be amply qualified as its part of the daily vernacular when dealing with new recruits and TF soldiers .:wtfsmilie:
R93 could go as his attache!:sick:

Or just ignore totally it.

Any attempt to disrupt either the seminar itself or the speaker's entries to the country will only give the seminar and speakers publicity further than the couple of hundred people who know about it now.

They would like nothing more than attempts to disrupt or influence the seminar so they can claim to be under attack by gun owners.

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Originally Posted by systolic

Or just ignore totally it.

Any attempt to disrupt either the seminar itself or the speaker's entries to the country will only give the seminar and speakers publicity further than the couple of hundred people who know about it now.

They would like nothing more than attempts to disrupt or influence the seminar so they can claim to be under attack by gun owners.

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duh -cmon you should know a pisstake when you see one or are you flagging a little??:thumbsup:

We have Nicole McKee there, so she is one of the good guys (gals)... but heavily waited towards extremist anti-gun liberals...

The seminar is certainly biased towards the anti-gun lobby and will undoubtedly be a waste of time considering who's attending. They're so adamant on the idea of trying to fix something that doesn't exist.

Systolic makes a good point. Just letting them have their small circle jerk would actually be more productive for us. Initially, I thought a good solid attendance of well-informed firearms community members would be a no-brainer, but none of these muppets will have any sort of change of heart with actual facts. Fanning the flames of the mongvention will just give it credibility and media coverage (which won't include anything said by us, you can bet on that).

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maybe we should contribute to a fund so a few of the more articulate people on the forum could attend to put a logical and unskewed point of view to the meeting .

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ill donate.

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Originally Posted by Beavis

Every shooting discipline needs to have at least one representitive there IMO

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ill forward this to the antique arms secretary. try get our man there.

Have to agree with Tommy and Systolic on this.
But maybe we should have a meeting on the growing unhealthy biased anti gun culture that is growing in nz.
Wait did I just read that that gun culture comes from going outside :o better put a stop to that:wtfsmilie:

Better buy shares in Soffas and TVs :P

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Or just ignore totally it.

Any attempt to disrupt either the seminar itself or the speaker's entries to the country will only give the seminar and speakers publicity further than the couple of hundred people who know about it now.

They would like nothing more than attempts to disrupt or influence the seminar so they can claim to be under attack by gun owners.

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do we have an expert at debating in our group? if we do then a prepared argument with prepared answers to typical bullshit might be worth it. worth considering anyway.
Or at least someone with great self control who can correct any bullshit, and do it with a smile.

or hire that chick who threw a dildo at steven joyce's face. id pay to see something like that happen!

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Systolic makes a good point. Just letting them have their small circle jerk would actually be more productive for us. Initially, I thought a good solid attendance of well-informed firearms community members would be a no-brainer, but none of these muppets will have any sort of change of heart with actual facts. Fanning the flames of the mongvention will just give it credibility and media coverage (which won't include anything said by us, you can bet on that).

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mongvention. gold.

Fanning the flames of the mongvention will just give it credibility and media coverage (which won't include anything said by us, you can bet on that).[/QUOTE]

true.

Gillespie, Alpers and Cahill - Jesus wept. What a mutual ego-stroke that'll be. Not one of them representing anyone except themselves. $300 for that load of shit? I'd rather buy some reloading stuff

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Originally Posted by 40mm

do we have an expert at debating in our group? if we do then a prepared argument with prepared answers to typical bullshit might be worth it. worth considering anyway.
Or at least someone with great self control who can correct any bullshit, and do it with a smile.

or hire that chick who threw a dildo at steven joyce's face. id pay to see something like that happen!

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Correct. Nicole McKee is very good, and any like her would be great. I'd certainly chip in a few notes to have a few like her attend (@Beavis has been mentioned elsewhere), but I reckon having a lynch mob turn up isn't going to help AT ALL. Sometimes less is more.

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duh -cmon you should know a pisstake when you see one or are you flagging a little??:thumbsup:

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Sure systolic knows. Some might not know. Or specifically, some will be very happy to deliberately misunderstand and quote accordingly to have a go at gun owners.

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Originally Posted by Sideshow

Have to agree with Tommy and Systolic on this.
But maybe we should have a meeting on the growing unhealthy biased anti gun culture that is growing in nz.
Wait did I just read that that gun culture comes from going outside :o better put a stop to that:wtfsmilie:

Better buy shares in Soffas and TVs :P

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Yeah, but the TV is inhabited by a Troll with a very unhealthy guns and violence culture: NCIS, Blacklist, Walking Dead, Blue Bloods, Law and Order, SVU, APB, etc. etc

ill gladly go and speak on behalf of many folks but given many of ya know how quick I fire up it would be best I kept quiet on this topic because id give em hell otherwise

Nicholas Taylor , the barrister should go there. He would also know how to debunk their bullshit.
As to that Hera girl regarding gun culture, what does she know about it?! Probably not much with her "sexual" back ground, and specially coming from the uk where pretty much any thing out of the classic hunting firearms and the hod target rifle is banned .
I would like to see them coming to the north island try to propagate their bullshit and where there might be a few more good opposition voices against theirs.

My mistake, I did not realise the seminar was in Wellington , I thought university of Otago would have been in South Island

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Originally Posted by Friwi

My mistake, I did not realise the seminar was in Wellington , I thought university of Otago would have been in South Island

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Dang! Didn't see that. Not attending myself then. Who do I send my $50 to?

Given modern electronics why not hookup with the likes of proff gary mauser(oh i forgot he crucified muppet Alpers).theres also a very good feamle academic in aussie whose done some research in this area and published a few studies bit im buggered if i remember her name.
It is of course no coincidence that academic self entitlement in the form of conferences like this are actively encouraged in socialist climes,-hands up all all remember herr clucks infatuation with seeking the services of hirsuite female academics-resulting in a lot of modern social policy.
undoubtedly there'll be "recommendations to government'arising out of this verbal wankfest and of course our new recruits willsoak that up and in all probability try and build new legislation around it.
BTW-just to reiterate guys my other comments were a pisstake-Id have to say id be bloody suprised if anyone with a modicum of commonsense couldnt realise that.

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Sure systolic knows. Some might not know. Or specifically, some will be very happy to deliberately misunderstand and quote accordingly to have a go at gun owners.

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cordite old bean we cant be held accountable for every other tools actions .I generally find people like that have already decided their response whatever you may say.In fact in the course of my working day i spend a lot of time doing exactly this.

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Cordite old bean we cant be held accountable for every other tool's actions. I generally find people like that have already decided their response whatever you may say. In fact, in the course of my working day I spend a lot of time doing exactly this.

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@kotuku

Yes, some supposedly "sane" people hold opinions as rigidly and unassailable as any psychotic you'll encounter on the ward, be they ever so well-spoken and polite. Going to a forum with an aim purely to convince them to see things our way may be a mistake - you'd equally go along to counter their arguments and contain detrimental effects spread through mass media.

Quote..”Owning firearms is common in New Zealand: estimates range from one to three million firearms in our population of 4.8 million”

Sweet,so we actually have a lot of gun control in Kiwi,since we know how many there are ,give or take a few

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Quote..”Owning firearms is common in New Zealand: estimates range from one to three million firearms in our population of 4.8 million”

Sweet,so we actually have a lot of gun control in Kiwi,since we know how many there are ,give or take a few

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Quote.......WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT THEYVE ACTUALLY GOT NO FUCKING IDEA.:ORLY::wtfsmilie::oh noes:.estimates ..a word beloved of politicians academics and statisticians and any other knowall who attempts to prove their dubious theories.conspiracy theorists and greenies also love this shit.:P;)
if the NZ police HQdo not know how many firearms are held in NZ then was does their intelligence/IT dept do -seek out new latte shops FFS:redbullsmiley:

Surprised and disappointed that Chaz won't be there, he is very well spoken and good at sticking to the facts and statistics. Isn't he currently working on a PHD in statistics with the thesis being something firearm related?

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Surprised and disappointed that Chaz won't be there, he is very well spoken and good at sticking to the facts and statistics. Isn't he currently working on a PHD in statistics with the thesis being something firearm related?

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Yes, but Chaz is in Otago area, seminar in Wellington. I think he'd prefer going shooting to going to Wgtn. though, if he has any sense.

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@tommygun

Yes, but Chaz is in Otago area, seminar in Wellington. I think he'd prefer going shooting to going to Wgtn. though, if he has any sense.

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My bad, I also just saw the Otago bit and missed the fact it is the Wellington campus

An eight to two beat up? Sounds fair. Alpers is now only submitting a pre recorded presentation and wont be there. Wellington media not interested in any opinion pieces from shooters on the event.

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An eight to two beat up? Sounds fair. Alpers is now only submitting a pre recorded presentation and wont be there. Wellington media not interested in any opinion pieces from shooters on the event.

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alpers -wonder why .in the immortal political QUOTE(late paddy blanchfield labour MP westcoast)he d be as miserable as a porker at a butchers picnic and geting a balanced view outta him -like looking for jaundice on a yellow canary!
cant wait to see the carefully scripted load of codswallop they put out.