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    Once again MSC rodgers it's instructors. Let's not make it illegal to own firearms, but let's make it bloody hard to get one.
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    I am in favour of the practical testing but reducing the number of instructors to so few in the name of consistency of training delivery is bollocks. Consistency of training is about systems and processes.
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    What's so hard to teach that you can only manage to have 48 instructors up to speed on it? Creating a bottleneck, yes they do. But MSC may lap it up as they expect it to be their instructors who will get to become "professionalised".

    As an aside, I wonder, is it possible to lick your own butt?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
    What's so hard to teach that you can only manage to have 48 instructors up to speed on it? Creating a bottleneck, yes they do. But MSC may lap it up as they expect it to be their instructors who will get to become "professionalised".

    As an aside, I wonder, is it possible to lick your own butt?
    My dogs can.
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    What more do we need? If we are above ground and breathing the rest is up to us!
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    What is going to be taught in this practical section, and what problem are they looking to solve? From 2007-2016, there were 41 fatalities. 9 were from target misidentification, 8 were from accidentally shooting self, 5 were from accidentally shooting someone else.

    MSC doesn't seem to have gathered the stats on how long shooters in fatalities had been licenced for, but it's often NOT newly licenced shooters. You can teach the theory of the 7 basic rules and what to be aware of, and a student can pass a test, once, when applying for their FAL , but hunters will still be negligent and make errors. I hope we see a reduction in firearms related injuries and fatalities, but I'm skeptical.

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    If 54% of hunting fatalities involve a firearm, (which was 22) then that leaves the message WATCH YOUR STEP as falls were the biggest killer of the lot, and drowning is right up there and out of the 41 people who died, how many went hunting compared to how many drive and how does that compare to those who died in their motor vehicles? Bearing in mind this represents 9 years of fatalities so the road toll for the same period is 3710 which is clearly a somewhat larger number.
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    Question:

    What does the practical component involve?

    Anyone in the know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moutere View Post
    Question:

    What does the practical component involve?

    Anyone in the know?
    and will it just be hunting related?
    I have a # of friends that only target shoot and are sick of everything being gears towards hunting. Which is something they are not interested in
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    Read somewhere in a biography that most of SAS training accidental deaths are related to river crossings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
    Read somewhere in a biography that most of SAS training accidental deaths are related to river crossings.
    my father was RAF, regarded the SAS as the worlds ultimate soldier but the training accidents were on a horrific scale

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scooby View Post
    and will it just be hunting related?
    I have a # of friends that only target shoot and are sick of everything being gears towards hunting. Which is something they are not interested in
    It's just for first time people sitting their licences. If they don't like the lesson content, they don't have to do it again.

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    Do the stats attached previously include just injuries, or are they just hunting fatalities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moutere View Post
    Do the stats attached previously include just injuries, or are they just hunting fatalities?
    Just fatalities. All the stats, including a breakdown of injuries are available is this document by MSC, called “A Hunter’s Tale”.

    https://www.mountainsafety.org.nz/in...-hunters-tale/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moutere View Post
    Do the stats attached previously include just injuries, or are they just hunting fatalities?
    Injury stats:



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