Thread: Firearms Safety Authority: Firearms Data & Public Information

I think the Firearms Safety Authority (The Police and whichever Political party was in power at the time the decision was made) made a fundamental mistake in allowing five years in which to register. In five years will be three different political structures, all of whom can tamper with the registry and Firearms Act.

Five years also plays into the hands of Registered Firearms users who;

- Don't want to be the first Guinea pig?
- Procrastinate until the "Last possible moment!"
- Feel "Wronged" or "Victimised!"
- Are Straw Byers who still have five years to keep trading...

What would have been smarter would have been to allow SIX MONTHS to register, which would have prevent the current cluster of a review.

How would you feel if the Firearms Safety Authority and Police implemented a new Registration date of 31 March 2025?

Originally Posted by Hugh Shields

How would you feel if the Firearms Safety Authority and Police implemented a new Registration date of 31 March 2025?

I feel that I hope they confiscate your guns first.

Originally Posted by Fatberg

I feel that I hope they confiscate your guns first.

Ad Hominem Rules!

Originally Posted by Hugh Shields

Ad Hominem Rules!

Except that registration has always been a precursor for confiscation.

Of course, I'm certain that New Zealand will be the exception to the pattern.

Like a Tui, anyone?

Originally Posted by Hugh Shields

I think the Firearms Safety Authority (The Police and whichever Political party was in power at the time the decision was made) made a fundamental mistake in allowing five years in which to register. In five years will be three different political structures, all of whom can tamper with the registry and Firearms Act.

Five years also plays into the hands of Registered Firearms users who;

- Don't want to be the first Guinea pig?
- Procrastinate until the "Last possible moment!"
- Feel "Wronged" or "Victimised!"
- Are Straw Byers who still have five years to keep trading...

What would have been smarter would have been to allow SIX MONTHS to register, which would have prevent the current cluster of a review.

How would you feel if the Firearms Safety Authority and Police implemented a new Registration date of 31 March 2025?

I'm one of those procrastinators simply because A: I have no need to register for a few years and B:Any system that was so rushed into service was bound to be full of mistakes.

I do believe that there is a need for the register but just didn't feel the need to volunteer to be one of the first lab rats.

Originally Posted by Hugh Shields

I think the Firearms Safety Authority (The Police and whichever Political party was in power at the time the decision was made) made a fundamental mistake in allowing five years in which to register. In five years will be three different political structures, all of whom can tamper with the registry and Firearms Act.

Five years also plays into the hands of Registered Firearms users who;

- Don't want to be the first Guinea pig?
- Procrastinate until the "Last possible moment!"
- Feel "Wronged" or "Victimised!"
- Are Straw Byers who still have five years to keep trading...

What would have been smarter would have been to allow SIX MONTHS to register, which would have prevent the current cluster of a review.

How would you feel if the Firearms Safety Authority and Police implemented a new Registration date of 31 March 2025?

Straw buyers won't potentially be affected by the registry until either a firearm turns up somewhere it shouldn't be and it hasn't had the serial numbers scrubbed or they come up for a check or review due to some other reason. There is currently no physical checking on registered items that I'm aware of as it would be a shocking workload...

Not enough resources to achieve registration in a shorter time frame, would likely collapse the system!

As far as why not, well I haven't had a triggering event and it's likely going to be a multiple phone call pain in my arse scenario. When I've got a lot more spare time I'll look into it but while I've got bigger problems they will take priority.

Originally Posted by Hugh Shields

How would you feel if the Firearms Safety Authority and Police implemented a new Registration date of 31 March 2025?

I would be even more annoyed and angry with the system if that change were to be made.

I was promised 5 years and will wait for almost all of that time.

The system wouldn't be able to cope with a influx of registrations if the period was shorted to March 2025.

Only a fool would suggest that change.

Originally Posted by Hugh Shields

I think the Firearms Safety Authority (The Police and whichever Political party was in power at the time the decision was made) made a fundamental mistake in allowing five years in which to register. In five years will be three different political structures, all of whom can tamper with the registry and Firearms Act.

Five years also plays into the hands of Registered Firearms users who;

- Don't want to be the first Guinea pig?
- Procrastinate until the "Last possible moment!"
- Feel "Wronged" or "Victimised!"
- Are Straw Byers who still have five years to keep trading...

What would have been smarter would have been to allow SIX MONTHS to register, which would have prevent the current cluster of a review.

How would you feel if the Firearms Safety Authority and Police implemented a new Registration date of 31 March 2025?

Do you honestly think their capable of handling the intake over a shorter period, some of the persons on reception seem to be struggling with a five year period. Did a change of ownership this morning, the registration person was informing me to make sure the buyer used the right procedure to transfer the firearm to his license, not to just register it. Told him I've done my bit, what the buyer does is out of my jurisdiction, was told if not done correctly will show the same firearm registered to 2 license holders.

Originally Posted by tetawa

Told him I've done my bit, what the buyer does is out of my jurisdiction, was told if not done correctly will show the same firearm registered to 2 license holders.

You have done your bit - and indeed - it is not your problem. IF their system cannot handle it, their problem, not yours.

As to not registering until the last minute? There is absolutely nothing to be gained by registering early, other than grief and pain in the neck. What is the benefit?

In my case I have a couple of guns to dispose of - meantime they stay in the safe - they may be eventually cut up - so why register (and they are oddball mo-name guns) and then have the faff of ttelling them they are destroyed, which I will be penalised if I forget?.......work for no benefit

Originally Posted by Doghead

You have done your bit - and indeed - it is not your problem. IF their system cannot handle it, their problem, not yours.

As to not registering until the last minute? There is absolutely nothing to be gained by registering early, other than grief and pain in the neck. What is the benefit?

In my case I have a couple of guns to dispose of - meantime they stay in the safe - they may be eventually cut up - so why register (and they are oddball mo-name guns) and then have the faff of ttelling them they are destroyed, which I will be penalised if I forget?.......work for no benefit

I haven’t registered yet, Sept next year I need to renew my licence, so that will be it.
I have half a dozen firearms held for the family of a dead man. Yes the police know I have them.
One 12 g has the barrel filled with concrete, can I chop it up or do I register it and sell it cheap.
I’ll have to check it’s not a purdy.

Originally Posted by Maca49

I haven’t registered yet, Sept next year I need to renew my licence, so that will be it.
I have half a dozen firearms held for the family of a dead man. Yes the police know I have them.
One 12 g has the barrel filled with concrete, can I chop it up or do I register it and sell it cheap.
I’ll have to check it’s not a purdy.

Id say it was purdy well buggered....Concrete is a bugger for causing rust....

Originally Posted by Maca49

I haven’t registered yet, Sept next year I need to renew my licence, so that will be it.
I have half a dozen firearms held for the family of a dead man. Yes the police know I have them.
One 12 g has the barrel filled with concrete, can I chop it up or do I register it and sell it cheap.
I’ll have to check it’s not a purdy.

The correct way is to hand it in at your local cop shop for disposal, best to call them first and arrange a time