Thread: Firearms Storage Inspection ....

If I was going to be pedantic I would say, don't be stupid MSSA's are everywhere, it's just the term that is unique to NZ. Like saying beer only exists in English speaking countries.

First of all Aramoana happened before our current laws were bought into place so can only really be used to support the changes made as it obviously wasn't working prior, if you use that example. Port Arthur was overseas, not under our laws at the time so can't be used to disprove our restrictions.

Mental problems can be very hard to detect and quite often go on without ever being diagnosed, how could you ever expect an AO to pick up on it?

The Crimes Act 1961
Summary Offences Act 1981
Misuse of Drugs Act 1975
All 'horribly outdated'? They're all older than the current Arms Act.

Originally Posted by Savage1

Mental problems can be very hard to detect and quite often go on without ever being diagnosed, how could you ever expect an AO to pick up on it?

Which seems hilarious. Well we can't pick up on it for the A cat checks and interviews with the applicant and 2x referees, maybe we'll pick up on it with the E cat checks and interviews with the applicant and 2x referees!! And even if we decide they can't own a pistol grip, they can own anything the fuck else they like and just illegally modify it if they have any intention of breaking the law by shooting people!

Misuse of Drugs Act 1975

Unrelated, but a large portion of the population would consider parts of this outdated

Originally Posted by Savage1

If I was going to be pedantic I would say, don't be stupid MSSA's are everywhere, it's just the term that is unique to NZ. Like saying beer only exists in English speaking countries.

First of all Aramoana happened before our current laws were bought into place so can only really be used to support the changes made as it obviously wasn't working prior, if you use that example. Port Arthur was overseas, not under our laws at the time so can't be used to disprove our restrictions.

Mental problems can be very hard to detect and quite often go on without ever being diagnosed, how could you ever expect an AO to pick up on it?

The Crimes Act 1961
Summary Offences Act 1981
Misuse of Drugs Act 1975
All 'horribly outdated'? They're all older than the current Arms Act.

No MSSA's aren't everywhere. Semi auto rifles may be common everywhere, but MSSAs aren't.

Are you trying to say that before 1992 you could have mental issues and get a license? That doesn't accord with my understanding. Because that it the point I'm making, the problem is the wrong people got a FAL. The correct reaction is to improve vetting (which was done). A range of pointless restrictions based on looks was not required.

Port Arthur and aramoana both have key similarities you don't seem to want to hear. People who shouldn't have had FALs were given them. Chaos resulted. The changes to vetting practice made sense, the MSSA BS does not.

Vetting is supposed to give the greatest chance of picking up mental issues, by interviewing those closest to the applicant. Are you trying to say that we may as well give up, since it is hard to pick mental issues anyway, and just rely on banning scary looking guns? I don't think you are, but there does seem to be a lack of consistency in your reasoning.

I can even see why you'd think that about the various Acts you list. I agree that the enactment date of the principal acts you cite are older. The real question I'd ask is how many substantial updates were made to those principal acts since their enactment? Then how many changes were made to the MSSA provisions of the Arms act in the same time? I'd suggest that is a more accurate way to compare the currency between them.

I still think the semi auto rules are outdated, and don't reflect where the world has moved to. As more and more people adopt semi platforms, that view is held by more and more people.