Thread: Firearms Storage Inspection ....

Originally Posted by Savage1

eg, There is nothing in law that says you can't walk through town holding a loaded and actioned rifle in your hands in plain sight if you are on your way to go shoot tin cans at a mates place, but it isn't something a fit and proper person would do. A fit and proper person would at least have it unloaded and in a bag.

The Q is what is considered a reasonable action. Funnily enough I had just this discusion last night, its almost like smokers who are now considered unclean and need to hide away in a quite out of sight corner.

For instance,

When you look at the guy who shot the Austrian/Hungrian aire that resulted in WW1, he apparently undertook pistol practice with others in a public park and that was a non-event or a normal thing to do circa 100 years ago. Theses days some ppl think guns are wrong no matter what and if they see them they will fill their underpants and ring the police. Or that 100 years ago a target shooting event was considered a great social event to be attended.

Or the recent condemnation by some of someone humanely killing a cat or dog to eat, or selling thier pelt yet no one bats an eye over a pig, chicken or cow (well ok except vegans) and wearing leather shoes is perfectly normal.

doh....

So my point is we are starting to talk about social norms and not (necessarily) law. Now sure if I walk down the street with a loaded gun over my shoulder its going to end badly for me but is that really my fault or the fault of the ppl who see me and need an underwear change?

Originally Posted by steven

The Q is what is considered a reasonable action. Funnily enough I had just this discusion last night, its almost like smokers who are now considered unclean and need to hide away in a quite out of sight corner.

For instance,

When you look at the guy who shot the Austrian/Hungrian aire that resulted in WW1, he apparently undertook pistol practice with others in a public park and that was a non-event or a normal thing to do circa 100 years ago. Theses days some ppl think guns are wrong no matter what and if they see them they will fill their underpants and ring the police. Or that 100 years ago a target shooting event was considered a great social event to be attended.

Or the recent condemnation by some of someone humanely killing a cat or dog to eat, or selling thier pelt yet no one bats an eye over a pig, chicken or cow (well ok except vegans) and wearing leather shoes is perfectly normal.

doh....

So my point is we are starting to talk about social norms and not (necessarily) law. Now sure if I walk down the street with a loaded gun over my shoulder its going to end badly for me but is that really my fault or the fault of the ppl who see me and need an underwear change?

Nope it would be your fault as you could reasonably see the consequences of your actions but decided to carry on anyway. I understand what you're saying and agree in part with it but society has changed and we must adapt with it, irrational or not. Actually you could probably call that example disorderly behaviour or breach of the peace.

On a lighter note, I've walked across that bridge where Franz Ferdinand was shot. One hell of an eye opener walking through that city with a local.

Originally Posted by Savage1

Nope it would be your fault as you could reasonably see the consequences of your actions but decided to carry on anyway. I understand what you're saying and agree in part with it but society has changed and we must adapt with it, irrational or not. Actually you could probably call that example disorderly behaviour or breach of the peace.

Breach of the peace? disorderly behavior ? I think you are stretching it way over the top. I agree society has indeed changed and therefore what was normal and everyday actions 100 years ago is now not consider so in some places. Maybe its that some of us are so disconnected from our surroundings that the struggle to survive has become moot. I mean if I walked down a native ppls vilage main drag carrying a gun over my shoulder, would anyone bat an eylid? I suggest not. Most are probably going to be carrying and posses their own weapons with great need and pride. In the US ppl can legally carry concealed weapons, have guns racked in 4wd trucks even 5 or so and no one bats an eye lid. So is NZ and a few other places being overly sensitive? I just wonder.