Thread: Gun shot fired in Gun City Car park

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

One of the great things about the rules is that you generally have to fuck up more than one to hurt someone. Yes people make mistakes but you need to make a number at the same time ie not treating the firearm as loaded, not pointing in a safe direction, Loading a firearm before being ready to fire etc...

You are describing "Swiss cheese" accident avoidance.

Each one of the 7 firearms rules is a separate slice of Swiss cheese with holes. You now have 7 layers to protect you against accidents, but none of the layers are perfect by themselves, hence the holes. The more layers you remove... the greater the chance that somewhere a series of holes line up and let misfortune through.

It is true as someone above said that you can never be safe enough and that the seven rules are the bare minimum. Next time I'm at the gun shop, I'll get one of them orange nylon thingame markers to always stick in the chamber to flag an open unloaded action. That will be my personal 8th rule.

Originally Posted by Cordite

You are describing "Swiss cheese" accident avoidance.

Each one of the 7 firearms rules is a separate slice of Swiss cheese with holes. You now have 7 layers to protect you against accidents, but none of the layers are perfect by themselves, hence the holes. The more layers you remove... the greater the chance that somewhere a series of holes line up and let misfortune through.

It is true as someone above said that you can never be safe enough and that the seven rules are the bare minimum. Next time I'm at the gun shop, I'll get one of them orange nylon thingame markers to always stick in the chamber to flag an open unloaded action. That will be my personal 8th rule.

@Cordite

That's a very good explaination of James Reasons Swiss Cheese Model.

And yes your right Graham had to fuck up several times in a sequence of events in order for the rifle to discharge.

$300 fine is woefully inadequate, almost embarrassingly so.

Cheers
Pete

so how much would be ' enough ' for you guys ?

i have no idea

R.

Originally Posted by rossi.45

so how much would be ' enough ' for you guys ?

i have no idea

R.

@rossi.45

When you compare the seriousness of this event with say a fine for no registration on a car at $200 there seems to be something not quite right.

I'd have have thought this man would have also lost his licence, as to my mind he has proved he is no longer a "fit and proper person"by demonstrating a disregard for the basic firearms rules.

Cheers
Pete

No point doing a witch hunt, or a warlock hunt as in this case. Better to take an airline approach and see what might be learned, rather than just vilify someone who I think feels rather shitty at present.

As per above, I personally have taken away from this that I'm definitely getting an orange nylon chamber flag (what's the gizmo called??) to use in any gun I carry or store, basically whenever the chamber is empty (which is most of the time). It will also signal "responsible gun owner".

Originally Posted by P38

$300 fine is woefully inadequate, almost embarrassingly so.

Still a much tougher punishment than a cop gets for leaving a loaded pistol in a public toilet though if you look at it that way...