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    People don't seem to understand that the FSA can't "rule" anything. It's all in the Arms Act. Everything you want to know has already been written down in law and you can freely look it up.

    Whoever the gunsmith was the OP was talking to, I wouldn't send him a rifle to fix.

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    Well, there are things in the Arms Act that have been unilaterally overruled in the past, one example being insufficient resources to meet the statutory timeframes so the timeframe being extended. It might be in the law, but...
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    If its in the law, then it is self-correcting. If they push something that is not in law, when you go to court you will win.

    The point I am making is that the FSA cannot dictate whatever they want; they are a regulatary body bound by the Arms Act.

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    Yeah, but they are relying on the fact that you either can't afford to take it to court, aren't knowledgeable enough to realise you are being led around by your nose or the final option you just can't be arsed with the hassle... Calling it self-correcting is sort of right, but then on the other hand if it costs you 50x the issue to take them with the risk that you won't get cost awarded to you or the award only covers a percentage of the costs ("let the costs fall where they sit" is one I've heard recently) then you aren't exactly winning.

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    Those that allow timidity or temporary financial expense to rule their decisions when principle or freedom is at stake will forever be victims.
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    Freedom comes at a price - you have to ask yourself - are you prepared to pay that price?
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    Well , I received an answer from FSA regarding this today. Brief, but an answer. Copied below.

    Hi,

    Thank you for your query.
    There is no provision for either of those rumours in the Act.
    A gunsmith who owns a business operates on a Dealer licence and must be able to provide secure storage as per these requirements.
    https://www.firearmssafetyauthority....-means-dealers

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    Is it correct that the FSA has ruled that gunsmiths may only have one firearm on premises at any time and that same condition will apply to retailers from 1 April 2025. There are rumours circulating this is the case. If true, under which section of the arms act is this being put in place. Personally I find this a massive overreach of power under any part of said act.

    So basically it would appear either the OP or Gunsmith? have got the wrong end of the stick.

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    Mate thanks for taking the time to get the info from the horses mouth for us. Saves speculating and getting wound up over rumours.

    Now if only Stuffs journos could follow your lead..
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyMod View Post
    Mate thanks for taking the time to get the info from the horses mouth for us. Saves speculating and getting wound up over rumours.

    Now if only Stuffs journos could follow your lead..
    Or half the people posting on the forum.
    Fact checking saves everyone time

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    Quote Originally Posted by gundoc View Post
    Those that allow timidity or temporary financial expense to rule their decisions when principle or freedom is at stake will forever be victims.
    True, 100% true. But, in all honesty you can't fight every govt department and state owned enterprise and they are all as bad as each other it seems at the moment. It seems to just be too expensive to obey their own laws...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fee Knicks View Post
    True - but it has filled in an otherwise dreary winters weekend so not totally a loss.
    As long as it hasn't dragged you away from housework, Fee Knicks..

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    Yes dear .....

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    Cheers Woods. I suspected as much.

    I have always known that there was a push to only have one rifle on your bench to be worked on at any time. Originally from a good housekeeping viewpoint, but someone somewhere thought it would be good to get it into law, but its never taken off though.
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    Still a stupid idea - considering a request to shift a scope and rings between rifles or some other minor task. By the time you stripped the gear off one, walked it back to the security setup, secured it, got the next one, resecured the security setup, got back onto your bench, got diverted by a couple of phone calls and a customer it's add 500 hours to your day. What a pain in the arse...
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    Quote Originally Posted by No.3 View Post
    You mean there are retailers with more than one????? Ha!
    a trade in required to be able to buy, and sell that to the next customer. I think my wife submitted that idea to the FSA!

 

 

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