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Yea well this kinda thing may have some merit,,,,or notQuote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nzFTCW7-y8
Maybe it is just my engineering brain but if I was looking for arms I knew to be stored in a space i would be looking for any wasted space first.
@veitnamcamQuote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Yes, no defense against targeted burglary.
Spear key put it in a small clickclack & bury it under something in the garden like a rock , main keys get a large book glue the pages together hack out a hollow , I was going to do just that but the only large book I have is a bible but I read that allll the time so never got around to that idea , there go,s another hail merry ...
i got a small compo safe that can be bolted down for my key's after that guy in dunedin got robbed.it was about $100
If you have a burglar alarm in the house, consider spending a few extra dollars and get the gun cabinet fitted with a sensor so if the scum open it then it triggers the alarm. I have taken every practical step and a few more besides to prevent burglary, but I can be reassured that if they do get hold of them, there is nothing more I could have done to stop them.
Camouflage with keys is a start. If you have a set of cabinet keys in a box / safe / hidey spot then hide as many other unlabelled keys there as you can. If you have 5 keys that fit the cabinet, then alter 3 to make sure they dont fit, and hide them where they are easier to find. The more, the better. My old man used to be a lock smith so he had cartons of keys about...over 200 keys in the drawer and not one of them fits the lock.....
Man traps are illegal....accidents waiting to happen less so. I know of one old fellow who used to home brew. He kept two dozen right beside the gun cabinet. The first twelve were laced with medical grade laxative, and the second twelve had "encapsulated chilli" Apparently it doesn't burn or even taste when you drink it but it lights the fires of hell on the way out. mixed with a laxative and that sounds like a real unpleasant evening.....I don't know if he was pulling my leg, but I aint drinking it just in case....
Easiest space in an existing house is to make a double wardrobe into a single wardrobe but you'd need to hinge an mdf divider inside and change all the trim so would be fairly obvious
A big shelf on a garage wall that is on recessed hinges with the safe in behind it could work
I know a guy who built another skin on the front of his safe and filled it with gunpowder - run a grinder into that lot and you'd get a surprise
Um, emery boards then! they will be horrified when their nails come out ground down to the bone!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
and if they are really keen, they will come when you are sleeping and rudely wake you, before politely asking for the safe to be opened.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
how about a pistol sized safe at face height with a weak door and a very hard, spring loaded boxing glove (or brick) inside. and a trail cam for showing off at the pub later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sideshow
Dont forget the GPS tracker too...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
They are on a little shelf above the door in one of the dogs kennels.
@Boaraxa,Quote:
Originally Posted by Boaraxa
Yeah, some things you just won't do.
Fair hiding place is down the spine of the good book if it's not a paperback. In oblong paper wrap to give friction so won't fall out.
Or hang it in plain sight on your tool wall, in a padlock securing a chain round a rafter. No one would expect the key is for anything else than that old padlock. Glue it into the lock with some epoxy, or even tin solder it in place. You'll have to heat the lock if you ever need to get the key out, but it's only a spare for overriding the safe combination lock so you'll avoid the hassle by changing the batteries every year.
Brazing the key into the lock will stuff the key up cos of the heat involved. And not to mention that the rod will run into the lock and will have to be un sweated. And the rod would be likely to cause issues with the safe lock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
The glue Is a much better idea as long as you have a solvent that will easily dissolve the glue.
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Hi @Russian 22Quote:
Originally Posted by Russian 22.
Yes, heh heh, definite no-no don't braze any key in, tin solder it. Epoxy itself goes quite soft when the real heat is on, but not sure if any solvent will readily dissolve epoxy?
But it's getting complicated. How about just knocking a hole in plaster board and encasing your key in the repair?
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That'd be a good idea. Relatively easy to implement and easy to fixQuote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
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There's a more easy way.... If someone is seriously thinking about doing that, pm me and I will tell you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russian 22.
Put a dummy power point on the wall, and have the key behind.....
Fuck it, have the key behind a live oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Beaker
I don't mind doing that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
I want a bluetooth controlled ecectric motor scissor-lift pillar that comes uo out of the floor, with a circular gun rack.
Blue and green LED lights from below, and out of the top dry ice 'smoke'. Or just a hybrid of these two:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QJn94rGJ3Y
Any engineer's imagination sparked?
That looks like housework to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
10 years ago, I did the dummy safe,at a rural property and it did get taken. I would have paid to see their faces when they finally got into it. A few years later, the guy I suspected, got arrested for armed robbery. These days, the keys are always dog-clipped onto a belt-loop in my pocket, with bolts and components locked and hidden separately- easier to hide them ,than larger ,complete firearms. Nothing is ever going to be fool-proof (within reason), but I've come to realise that its more about peace-of-mind, even if I'm only fooling myself. I have to say though, these forums are very entertaining (beats TV)..and very informative.
do it to a live one.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Beaker
I felt happy, safe and secure before I read this thread. Now I am nervous, twitching, looking over my shoulder and untrusting. In all honesty this thread is a good wake-up to me that my gunsafe bolted to the wall is only child proof at best.
I now wish that I had just hinged a door in an old upright steel water pressure tank and put it in the pumphouse with the door to the back and saved the money spent on a commercial safe.
How about you put the gunsafe keys in an empty Strepsils packet in the bathroom cabinet? Or in an empty instant coffee tin in the kitchen pantry? Find a place that's easy for you to access but not obvious for a troll who breaks in to your house. But the big concern is what do you do when a troll breaks in and holds a knife to your neck (or your wife's) and insists you open the gunsafe? I have set up my safe for just such an eventuality..the troll would get a very unpleasant surprise when I open the safe.....
the gang pad next door usually has a few good places to hide em, no one would think to look there.
@Ranger 888Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranger 888
Banks used to have safes with time delay locks to counter scenarios like that. A time-delay lock can allow you to programme it to take, say 45 mins from combination entry to it unlocking. Also possible to have a duress code you can use to open the safe and simultaneously trigger a silent alarm. It's all out there for those who can/will pay.
Although that's not very convenient having a time delay for when you are trying to get to the bush quicklyQuote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
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Originally Posted by Cordite
I do like the idea of a duress code....I will look into that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russian 22.
@timattalonQuote:
Originally Posted by timattalon
Please let us know what you find. I came across it 16 yrs ago at one facility I worked at. A particular 4-digit code would disarm the alarm like your usual 4-digit code, but would also silently alert the alarm company to send help. I seem to recall they'd phone and if no answer would send the cops, did the same if you answered but didn't volunteer the "safe word".
@Russian 22
Haha, I can see the frustrated hunter jumping up and down and his mates honking at him! (o:
30mins or 45mins is nothing when you're packing stuff etc. you just need to remember to do it before starting packing.
But it is a loooooong time if you're holding a family up and a duress code may or may not have been triggered.
An alternative to the time delay lock is the time lock, which may simply be set up to prevent anyone opening the safe outside certain hours, but that is more suitable for banks.
Our home alarm comes with a duress code - ADTQuote:
Originally Posted by timattalon
Duress codes have been around on alarm systems for a long while now. The said alarm needs to be monitored by an alarm / security company and you need to rely on them turning up within an appropriate time frame for it to be beneficial.
If you need to be electronic about it, with a time delay, this would be best used as a duress code on a standalone key pad. So how this would work is that in normal operation with your standard 1234 code the safe would unlock as desired instantly.
If you feel game when threatened to open it you use the 1235 code ( or what ever you dream up as a duress ) this would trigger a seperate timed delay to open when the time expired.
I still dont think it would be a very good idea to piss off the person that has gone to the trouble of invading your home with the specific task to remove your firearms.
Unless its the Police and the delay gives you the chance to call your lawyer :P
The most common items a burglar will take and look for first is -alcohol, cash, jewelry, keys, electronics that are easy to carry away. Good places to hide small valuables for example keys are in the fridge or freezer, where you keep cleaning products, inside books, inside a cheap tattered soft toy. Tucked into the hem of a tied back curtain is a goody.
To the contrary - I don't think it's a good idea for the criminal to piss off the home owner invading their home.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnd
I know a few rural people that have had there freezer empty'd.Quote:
Originally Posted by oneshot
obviously from Auckland. Can't hunt so steal others years old venison.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbear
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