Thread: Mistaken for game hunting accidents and human factors report

Yup I don't like the 20 mins thing.
I wasn't there but if I was looking at what I thought was a deer within 20m for 20 minutes I would be thinking it was asleep or already dead.
I most likely would have spooked it with a loud fart or my clumsyness anyway.

I just don't buy it.



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Where did the 20 min looking at target come from???
Sgt Berryman said he took two to three minutes with his naked eye and his rifle scope to confirm it was deer, moving from left to right as he watched.
Also i believe the range was quoted at 40m not 20m.
If we are going to debate this we really need to start with the correct facts.

don't know, just guilty of repeating without checking... can someone confirm..? we cannot determine the correct outcome from that case anyway, we have to accept the court does that job...

I haven't read the original report linked by the OP as I don't have Dropbox but to me the original post was about understanding the human factors at play here rather than laying blame or consequence.
Highlighting the way in which the brain rationalises visual illusions that can be complicated by simple things such as mood, weather, light, fatigue, pressure, sound, expectation, past experience, inexperience etc etc can only be a good thing.

Hi, this is a public folder so you don't need Dropbox yourself. Just click on the link and you'll find the file is the top one in the list.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kdopwcxcq...4jKDuly_a?dl=0

I see the file is also on the hunter safety lab website

Cheers

Regarding the court's decision I'd prefer to wait and read the judgment. And of course what really happened and "the facts" that can be proven are not necessarily the same.

I endorse on2it's closing footnote

"Regarding the court's decision I'd prefer to wait and read the judgment. And of course what really happened and "the facts" that can be proven are not necessarily the same."

Fair enough. Just because I have not experienced it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen for others I spose.

I have spent ages trying to identify bushes, stumps and things that were the right colour and shape of a deer in the bush and in low light.
But something in my gut always told me I was wrong. Not once did any of those things get up and run off or get shot.

Originally Posted by R93

Fair enough. Just because I have not experienced it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen for others I spose.

I have spent ages trying to identify bushes, stumps and things that were the right colour and shape of a deer in the bush and in low light.
But something in my gut always told me I was wrong. Not once did any of those things get up and run off or get shot.

I think a lot of us have had the same experience but then I look at traffic lights and see red and green and I have a mate who sees both as grey, color blindness is understood today. Dyslexia was unknown until recent times but its now well accepted. We are all wired a little differently but I fear most will have no idea if it could happen to them untill it does.

How many of you have searched for an item in your workshop or some other place and not been able to find it. Then go back later and it was sitting in plain sight all the time. The eyes saw it but the brain did not process the information.
Your brains are a very complicated organ and nobody fully understands how it works.
I believe the hunter truly believes he saw a deer prior to pulling the trigger.
How do we prevent it happening again?
I dont know the answer

Originally Posted by BobGibson

How many of you have searched for an item in your workshop or some other place and not been able to find it. Then go back later and it was sitting in plain sight all the time. The eyes saw it but the brain did not process the information.
Your brains are a very complicated organ and nobody fully understands how it works.
I believe the hunter truly believes he saw a deer prior to pulling the trigger.
How do we prevent it happening again?
I dont know the answer

Happens to me all the time. But I have seen the little green men that do it😆

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Hi, unfortunately there is not a written judgment for the Invercargill discharge without conviction but I have requested the judge's sentencing notes.
There's some discussion about whether the police might appeal the decision but as I understand it, appeals can only be on questions of law not questions of fact (what happened).
The reason for this is because the appeal court is not in a position to listen to the evidence, assess the credibility of the witnesses etc.
And in this country, along with many others based on hundreds of years of English law, the rule against double jeopardy remains. In other words, you can't be tried for the same thing twice.
P.S. I'm not a practicing lawyer so take my comments with a grain of salt.