Thread: New Updated Arms Code 2017

Well guess what turned up in the mail today with my notice of time to renew. Do I need to send it back to the printers

Originally Posted by outdoorlad

Well guess what turned up in the mail today with my notice of time to renew. Do I need to send it back to the printers

Attachment 69233

@outdoorlad

Keep it

Enter it into the evidence file.

Cheers
Pete

Some of the info in the arms code actually looked really good and was very informative. It was only a couple of points where they had overstepped their authority.

But they havent printed them yet, you must be imaging it


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Originally Posted by nzvermin

But they havent printed them yet, you must be imaging it


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@nzvermin

Outdoor lad must also be imagining that he has received a printed copy.

However he must be a bloody clever bloke as he seems to have been able to photograph his imagination. ( ref post #56)

Cheers
Pete

Ah no @Nickoli - What you're seeing here is a classic Cluster#$%& from a communications Project thats been running in the background timed to coincide with a release out of the back of the parliamentary review. That The Police thought this was a slam dunk to get the new words around they were seeking out the back of the policy review into a new process you'd already prepared - classically it's where left hand isn't talking to the right hand. Oh yeah - they've been caught out royally!!

To change written printed and online material is a major project and takes considerable time, effort and dollars. Just the changes to layout printing and proofing would have taken weeks if this project hasn't been moving towards this point for at least 2 months.

Their project management and sign-off gates have failed them in this case though as they obviously didn't stop when the Minister said - "hang on lets take a look at this" and review. It is a election year after all and consultation had to be seen to be entertained or it was a free hit to NZ First.

This publication shows pretty clearly Intent, and not just how the Police Assn feel - but NZ police asa whole that ultimately - They feel they need more control over the situation and the course of least resistance is by influencing our actions through publicly stated policy, in the form of the Arms code - rather than the strict rule of law ,the Act and it's testing in a court of law... as that would take time,money and effort - Change the Arms Act nah- much easier the code itself and we can do that ourselves without a degree of oversight... Really - how's that working for ya fellas?....

Dangerous ground politically undermining your minister like this -a big oneI would say - but I guess they would argue a legitimate technique to influence outcome once the political questions start coming in. Just remember guys - People don't judge you by your intentions, they judge you by your actions, and this has been a big one.

For my dollars my challenge to NZ Police - is be truthful and honest in your consultation - and allow law abiding, good and proper citizens to exercise their rights unfettered. You may have gotten concessions from the likes of ourselves if we believed in the outcome and your motivations -but I think that ship has sailed for the next few years....

Oh and your PM and legal team need to go on a course or two....!!

Originally Posted by Carpe Diem

Ah no @Nickoli - What you're seeing here is a classic Cluster#$%& from a communications Project thats been running in the background timed to coincide with a release out of the back of the parliamentary review. That The Police thought this was a slam dunk to get the new words around they were seeking out the back of the policy review into a new process you'd already prepared - classically it's where left hand isn't talking to the right hand. Oh yeah - they've been caught out royally!!

To change written printed and online material is a major project and takes considerable time, effort and dollars. Just the changes to layout printing and proofing would have taken weeks if this project hasn't been moving towards this point for at least 2 months.

Their project management and sign-off gates have failed them in this case though as they obviously didn't stop when the Minister said - "hang on lets take a look at this" and review. It is a election year after all and consultation had to be seen to be entertained or it was a free hit to NZ First.

This publication shows pretty clearly Intent, and not just how the Police Assn feel - but NZ police asa whole that ultimately - They feel they need more control over the situation and the course of least resistance is by influencing our actions through publicly stated policy, in the form of the Arms code - rather than the strict rule of law ,the Act and it's testing in a court of law... as that would take time,money and effort - Change the Arms Act nah- much easier the code itself and we can do that ourselves without a degree of oversight... Really - how's that working for ya fellas?....

Dangerous ground politically undermining your minister like this -a big oneI would say - but I guess they would argue a legitimate technique to influence outcome once the political questions start coming in. Just remember guys - People don't judge you by your intentions, they judge you by your actions, and this has been a big one.

For my dollars my challenge to NZ Police - is be truthful and honest in your consultation - and allow law abiding, good and proper citizens to exercise their rights unfettered. You may have gotten concessions from the likes of ourselves if we believed in the outcome and your motivations -but I think that ship has sailed for the next few years....

Oh and your PM and legal team need to go on a course or two....!!

stealing this and posting on facebook, fabulously said.

Hmmmmmm @nzvermin can you find out for us what time that release went from NZP to Pistol NZ Please.

Policy analysts/ lawyers don't work after 6pm unless the "fit has hit the Shan!" - be interesting to see if they are in damage control mode oooh and @stretch when the online version of the 2017 arms code was rolled back out of production.

Cheers Fella's!

CD.

Originally Posted by Carpe Diem

Hmmmmmm @nzvermin can you find out for us what time that release went from NZP to Pistol NZ Please.

Policy analysts/ lawyers don't work after 6pm unless the "fit has hit the Shan!" - be interesting to see if they are in damage control mode oooh and @stretch when the online version of the 2017 arms code was rolled back out of production.

Cheers Fella's!

CD.

Can't tell you when the 2017 version went up on the website nor when it was pulled today, because I didn't have monitoring set up. I have now, so will know (to the minute) when it is back up, if ever.

I wonder how many hard copies they had printed, and at what cost. Especially if they go back, fix their mistakes, and reprint the booklets.

I'd make an oia request but I bet they don't hold data on it.......

Originally Posted by Sylvester

I wonder how many hard copies they had printed, and at what cost. Especially if they go back, fix their mistakes, and reprint the booklets.

I'd make an oia request but I bet they don't hold data on it.......

@Svlvester they will definetly have data on how many copies were printed and at what cost. They have to explain all their spending.

Originally Posted by stug

@Svlvester they will definetly have data on how many copies were printed and at what cost. They have to explain all their spending.

Yeah you're right. I did submit a request asking how many they ordered, how many they recieved, and the unit cost of each booklet.

We shall see xD

I was handed one with my renual form in the back but did not get one with my reminder a week later.

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Stop quoting that troll please, as I've blocked him, but see his posts when you quote his dribble.

Oh, can someone please ban his arse for repeated offensive language posts.

Not sure if it's been suggested yet, but my theory is that this release was entirely intentional, and ties in with the select committee recommendation that the stuff in the police arms manual be brought into legislation (or words to that effect).

Police saw this as an opportunity to write a wishlist into their arms code in the hope that no one noticed and it snuck into law.

Dreamers.