Thread: New Updated Arms Code 2017

ah now you probably just need to accept you aint going to get an invite to a police firearms policy meeting, and you haven't yet convinced me that it wasn't just a sub committe meeting of the 2017 Arms Code committee commissioned with providing a legally consistent up to date document..

knowing a wee bit about the difference between policy and strategy and the role of the worker bees, I have a feeling that the sub-managment are just incompetant and the governance level don't really have the finer points nailed either......

I still make the point that the release of non-binding policy to achieve nothing of consequence released into the public arena where all can see.... does not amount to conspiracy...

All such meetings are private..... the intent has not been established and the outcome does not meet a detrimental standard... somebody should get spanked for being useless..

And I am supposed to be writing an essay...

Originally Posted by Sidney

ah now you probably just need to accept you aint going to get an invite to a police firearms policy meeting, and you haven't yet convinced me that it wasn't just a sub committe meeting of the 2017 Arms Code committee commissioned with providing a legally consistent up to date document..

knowing a wee bit about the difference between policy and strategy and the role of the worker bees, I have a feeling that the sub-managment are just incompetant and the governance level don't really have the finer points nailed either......

I still make the point that the release of non-binding policy to achieve nothing of consequence released into the public arena where all can see.... does not amount to conspiracy...

All such meetings are private..... the intent has not been established and the outcome does not meet a detrimental standard... somebody should get spanked for being useless..

And I am supposed to be writing an essay...

I suspect that there is a fair amount of all of the above involved. I'd better pack my troll outfit away and let you carry on. Can't help playing 'devils advocate' every now and then.

good argument

Originally Posted by Sidney

good argument

Back to you're essay and stop getting side tracked so easily.

I do like the line at the bottom of @P38's posts.

lawyers could be worser....

Originally Posted by Sidney

lawyers could be worser....

Essay!

It would seem things only get better and better for us fit and proper people

Shamelessly stolen from FOUNZ justification-the-precursor-to-confiscation/

All this talk of “justification” had us wondering what would happen if an Arms Officer/inspector decided that our justification for owning an A Cat firearm was not good enough. Well it seems that our fears may be have been realised.

A member reported that he recently had his new address inspected. Here is what he told us:

“He then pulled out a form wanting to know what firearms I had, condition, serial number and why I needed it, also how much ammo I had!? When I said that’s not the law he replied ‘no it’s not law but if you refuse I’m sure the police will do an enforced inspection within a few days and may confiscate any firearms and ammunition they deem unnecessary'”

When asked what “unnecessary ammunition” meant he was told:

“ammunition that may be used in b,e or c class or more than you need” !

FOUNZ Comment:

Wow. Confiscation of any firearm and ammunition that Police “deem” unnecessary. There it is.

On what grounds could an “enforced inspection” be carried out? Subpart 6 of the Search & Surveillance Act 2012 does allow for warrantless searches if Police have reasonable grounds to suspect that you are in breach of the Arms Act.

There is no section of the Act however that relates to “unnecessary” firearms or ammunition. There is also no requirement to provide the information requested by this inspector.

Refusal to submit to an non-mandatory request should not be considered “reasonable grounds” to be suspected of being in breach of the Act.

Similarly, license holders should not be threatened with being treated as a potential criminal in order to coerce them into complying with such a request.

Have any of you received similar treatment? If so PM us and let us know what happened. Take a photo/copy of the form too.

Do we have laws on blackmail and extortion?

Originally Posted by gadgetman

Do we have laws on blackmail and extortion?

I'm starting to form the opinion that "laws" only apply to certain groups as much as I would prefer to believe otherwise

he should tried that with me.... they pick n choose their audience

@Sidney that makes 2 of us.

he should tried that with me.... they pick n choose their audience

its the system chap.. its a framework for process and its not capable of forming intent just to get you....

my automatic assumption is that those that claim conspiracy either don't know what they are talking about, haven't done their homework, prefer to blame anyone else except themselves, or they just broke the rules.... blaming other people is always tempting but generally its pretty indicitive of where blame may lie... and I'm going to be right 99 times out of a hundred....

but you're that special 1 percenter right?

Originally Posted by Sidney

its the system chap.. its a framework for process and its not capable of forming intent just to get you....

my automatic assumption is that those that claim conspiracy either don't know what they are talking about, haven't done their homework, prefer to blame anyone else except themselves, or they just broke the rules.... blaming other people is always tempting but generally its pretty indicitive of where blame may lie... and I'm going to be right 99 times out of a hundred....

but you're that special 1 percenter right?

Yes, the lazy government left them with a blank cheque. Now they've been caught out elsewhere, and have their noses out of joint, they've decided they're going to cash that cheque. Shows that they have indeed been conspiring behind closed doors. I think it is you that does not know what a conspiracy is.

And yes, tests have indicated that I am well with the top 1 percentile.

not at the moment my friend....

by the way gadget, you did realise that the one percenter just means special victim status... ?

I know I'm special... not everyone wants to be

Originally Posted by Sidney

by the way gadget, you did realise that the one percenter just means special victim status... ?

I know I'm special... not everyone wants to be

I'm very special, yes that fits too.