Thread: New week, new 'Ultra Vires' Police Action

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

No Rushy.
not sure,have invaded the frogs....not the thread for it mate.
How do we hold NZs biggest gang to account and make them do the job they are tasked to do (up hold the law)?

Vote wisely in a couple of months.

Originally Posted by Steve123

Vote wisely in a couple of months.

No party that I know of has bring the police into line as a policy.

The only solution I see to this, is real consequences for the people that come up with these fanciful policies. It would be very interesting to know who is driving all of this in the back ground.

Originally Posted by Beavis

The only solution I see to this, is real consequences for the people that come up with these fanciful policies. It would be very interesting to know who is driving all of this in the back ground.

Ummmm Poms in police admin? Cahill? Nato? International Monetary fund? or O'Connor depending on level of paranoia or thickness of the tinfoil hat....

Originally Posted by Skitsokiwi

another week another contradiction....

What was said
News and updates | New Zealand Police

What is now being said
http://www.founz.co.nz/wp-content/up...2017-07-19.pdf

Why is "what is now being said" dated six months before the date on the "what was said"?

Originally Posted by systolic

Why is "what is now being said" dated six months before the date on the "what was said"?

That's a million doĺlar question

Originally Posted by Steve123

I think the humble flint lock would be my apocalypse must have. You can make your own powder and no worries about primers. Might need to invest,,,,,,As the quote says " I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Nothing better than a sick with a sharp stone tied on to the end, except a stick that throws stones!!

captain kirk didnt even need a flintlock against lizard man !

Originally Posted by gonetropo

captain kirk didnt even need a flintlock against lizard man !

Captain Kirk's phone could be set to stun and teleport him though.

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Originally Posted by systolic

Why is "what is now being said" dated six months before the date on the "what was said"?

The date on that letter is wrong from when it was sent to the dealer.
Ask the police why they put the wrong date on it.

If you read the first sentence you can see it was written in reply to an email written in June last month.

Shit they can't even get the date right man I've seen it here what happens when you get your grammar wrong
I'm sure someone here will police the police on this and we will have it cleared up in no time

Wasn't it T stone coppers with the last court thing.....are they still employed?
Must be where they went too. Think that is what we call an upgrade

As an update to this, I received a reply from the Private Secretary for the Minister for Police on 7th August, and the information on the website has now been changed.

Originally Posted by Private Secretary for the Minister for Police

Dear Mr koshogi,

Thank you for drawing to our attention the incorrect wording on the Police website referring to the Arms Code.

The message is in the process of being changed to read as follows.

Please note:

Since the 2013 Arms Code was published, there has been a change to processes for purchasing or acquiring a firearm as it relates to mail order and internet sales.

If you are purchasing firearms or ammunition in any non-face-to-face transaction you must provide an order form to Police (Police have a standard form for this). Police will verify your firearms licence details, certify the order form, and provide the certified order form direct to the seller.

This does not apply to transfers of pistols, restricted weapons or military style semi-automatic firearms which have their own process, requiring a permit to procure issued by the Police to the person wishing to acquire these items.

The Code is currently being reviewed in consultation with members of the Firearms Community Advisory Forum and other subject matter experts and a revised version is scheduled to be published online and in hard copy in late 2017.



The message is now fully consistent with the detailed information on mail order sales contained elsewhere on the website.

I apologise for the delay in responding to your email.

I received this after my email to them a couple months ago, just thought I'd share it

Subject: Disappointed

Dear Mrs Bennett

I am disappointed

I am disappointed like the majority of legal law abiding firearm owners in this country are.

We are have been ridiculed, attacked, mislead, lied to and let down multiple times over the last year all at the hands of both the politicians and the NZ Police department both established to uphold and enforce the laws of our country as well as listen to and serve the people of this country.

I am not going to go on about how our legal system works, as I am no expert but even I understand the reason for its design, the reason those enforcing the laws do not have the power to make law or interpret the law, that it, was designed to protect society from injustice at the hands of those in power.

My question to you minister is why? when the Police department of this country decide to do exactly that are they not held accountable?

Why the public face of this department can lie on television, radio and in the press and continue to do so even though it contradicts the very values the department stands for (Professionalism, Respect, Integrity, Empathy and Valuing Diversity)

Why is it when the police use a significant sum of tax payer money to publish a "guide" that contradicts the very laws in place, the people making these changes get off without repercussions?

Why are the Police allowed to blatantly lie to the public that their stance on the arms code remains unchanged, yet tell importers the complete opposite once again contradicting the very values they stand by?

Why are the people at the head of this department allowed to completely disregard the legal system and laws we have in place and not be held accountable?

As I can understand the majority of our fine officers do uphold the laws they have been entrusted to protect and I have the utmost respect for these men and woman (and animals) even once wanting to join the ranks. However due to the actions of some at NZPHQ, the police are fast losing all trust and respect they hold within the firearms community, as I, like many others you have no doubt heard from, are sick and tired of being targeted by unjustified and 'ultra vires' actions

With NZPHQ and the current governments inaction to hold those in charge accountable for these oversteps and establish a clear line in the sand they are making it clear that they have their agenda and will not listen to the people they have been chosen to serve and as election day is fast approaching, it will be interesting to see if they still have the power to establish that line come the following day.

Thank you for your time

The Reply

I am writing on behalf of Hon Paula Bennett, Minister of Police, who has asked me to acknowledge your email of 19th July concerning the Police administration of the Arms Act.

Please accept my apologies for a late response.

With regards to the Arms Code the Minister has asked me to pass on that quite a few members of the firearms community have drawn to her attention the appearance of a 2017 Arms Code on the Police website, and also in print.

Members of the firearms community had correctly noted errors in this document. Police have advised they are aware that it contains a number of mistakes and have assured the Minister that it has been removed from the Police’s website and hard copies recalled. Most importantly, as Police start afresh with the process of reviewing the Arms Code, they have given the Minister an undertaking that they will openly and transparently work with stakeholder groups in the firearms community and that any changes will be thoroughly consulted with the sector.

Your correspondence has been noted. If I can answer any direct or specific concerns you have, please let me know.

Thank you for taking the time to write to the Minister of Police.

Yours sincerely,

Jeff Penno

Am thinking on what to ask in my reply.

I am thinking you could ask for answers to the questions you actually asked. You asked 5 questions and the answered the third one which in my mind is not the most important one.....

They always appear to dodge the hard questions...