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As we've reported on before, Nick Taylor is starting legal litigation with police soon and asked people to donate towards that fund if they could, however legal litigation is only one method of fighting this. Like we saw with the pistol grip saga, the police lost and then went crying to the politicians and got what they described as a "loophole" patched. We've seen great success with the use of social media, and we will continue with that, but to be most effective we must expand our social media reach multitudes of where we're at now, as well as use other methods, many which require funding.
As with all government departments, single people don't get prosecuted, the whole department does.
Indeed. I also suggested to the minister in my letter that; if whomever is making these decisions has that little regard for the law they are supposed to uphold that perhaps she should seek their resignation as they would no longer be fit for the job they are tasked with......
I agree to a point. Fact of the matter is we have less than 8k likes on facebook, and there's plenty of NZ shooting themed pages who are in the 10's of thousands.
There's over 240k licensed firearm owners, there's far more than 8k of them on facebook, without a doubt.
For those who are not on social media, we have our website with email alerts and we are active on another forum, we're yet to be offered a home here.
I think a few LFAO's out there who have the mindset "it'll never happen to me" have had a shake up in recent weeks. Some are slowly but surely waking up to the madness.
The majority of people I don't think are heavily invested enough into shooting to have the desire to get pro active. That's not a dig that is just a reality. It is slowly changing though. People I know personally who haven't given a toss in past years have got off the fence this time.
another week another contradiction....
What was said
News and updates | New Zealand Police
What is now being said
http://www.founz.co.nz/wp-content/up...2017-07-19.pdf
Yup, that's what lying fuckheads do
Id like to think with an election year we could tidy up this corrupt police force that continually operates outside the law they are sopost to uphold and stop them making up laws to suit them selves but I have no answers unfortunately???? on the upside the next world war cant be far off and we will either be dead or enslaved and the survivors will look back with fondness on when NZ became a police state. :thumbsup:
How long till they stretch their made up definition to include other semi automatic firearms? I don't know what else to say. They didn't get their own way with the select committee, and the toys have left the cott. I would call them cunts, but cunts are actually useful. Loosing in court seems to be their favourite past time for almost a decade.
I think the humble flint lock would be my apocalypse must have. You can make your own powder and no worries about primers. Might need to invest,,,,,,As the quote says " I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
Nothing better than a sick with a sharp stone tied on to the end, except a stick that throws stones!!
The only solution I see to this, is real consequences for the people that come up with these fanciful policies. It would be very interesting to know who is driving all of this in the back ground.
Shit they can't even get the date right:O_O: man I've seen it here what happens when you get your grammar wrong:o
I'm sure someone here will police the police on this and we will have it cleared up in no time :ORLY:
Wasn't it T stone coppers with the last court thing.....are they still employed?
Must be where they went too. Think that is what we call an upgrade :XD:
As an update to this, I received a reply from the Private Secretary for the Minister for Police on 7th August, and the information on the website has now been changed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Private Secretary for the Minister for Police
I received this after my email to them a couple months ago, just thought I'd share it
Subject: Disappointed
Dear Mrs Bennett
I am disappointed
I am disappointed like the majority of legal law abiding firearm owners in this country are.
We are have been ridiculed, attacked, mislead, lied to and let down multiple times over the last year all at the hands of both the politicians and the NZ Police department both established to uphold and enforce the laws of our country as well as listen to and serve the people of this country.
I am not going to go on about how our legal system works, as I am no expert but even I understand the reason for its design, the reason those enforcing the laws do not have the power to make law or interpret the law, that it, was designed to protect society from injustice at the hands of those in power.
My question to you minister is why? when the Police department of this country decide to do exactly that are they not held accountable?
Why the public face of this department can lie on television, radio and in the press and continue to do so even though it contradicts the very values the department stands for (Professionalism, Respect, Integrity, Empathy and Valuing Diversity)
Why is it when the police use a significant sum of tax payer money to publish a "guide" that contradicts the very laws in place, the people making these changes get off without repercussions?
Why are the Police allowed to blatantly lie to the public that their stance on the arms code remains unchanged, yet tell importers the complete opposite once again contradicting the very values they stand by?
Why are the people at the head of this department allowed to completely disregard the legal system and laws we have in place and not be held accountable?
As I can understand the majority of our fine officers do uphold the laws they have been entrusted to protect and I have the utmost respect for these men and woman (and animals) even once wanting to join the ranks. However due to the actions of some at NZPHQ, the police are fast losing all trust and respect they hold within the firearms community, as I, like many others you have no doubt heard from, are sick and tired of being targeted by unjustified and 'ultra vires' actions
With NZPHQ and the current governments inaction to hold those in charge accountable for these oversteps and establish a clear line in the sand they are making it clear that they have their agenda and will not listen to the people they have been chosen to serve and as election day is fast approaching, it will be interesting to see if they still have the power to establish that line come the following day.
Thank you for your time
The Reply
I am writing on behalf of Hon Paula Bennett, Minister of Police, who has asked me to acknowledge your email of 19th July concerning the Police administration of the Arms Act.
Please accept my apologies for a late response.
With regards to the Arms Code the Minister has asked me to pass on that quite a few members of the firearms community have drawn to her attention the appearance of a 2017 Arms Code on the Police website, and also in print.
Members of the firearms community had correctly noted errors in this document. Police have advised they are aware that it contains a number of mistakes and have assured the Minister that it has been removed from the Police’s website and hard copies recalled. Most importantly, as Police start afresh with the process of reviewing the Arms Code, they have given the Minister an undertaking that they will openly and transparently work with stakeholder groups in the firearms community and that any changes will be thoroughly consulted with the sector.
Your correspondence has been noted. If I can answer any direct or specific concerns you have, please let me know.
Thank you for taking the time to write to the Minister of Police.
Yours sincerely,
Jeff Penno
Am thinking on what to ask in my reply.
I am thinking you could ask for answers to the questions you actually asked. You asked 5 questions and the answered the third one which in my mind is not the most important one.....
They always appear to dodge the hard questions...
A well written letter.
I would be replying and thanking for the response given to one of your questions and you await the response to the other questions tat you put forward in your first letter.