Thread: Response to the Law and Order Select committee

Thumbs up, looks good. It could be worse, she could have strangled us on it, but it seems sensible.
And it clarifys a couple of points too.

I think this shows the power of social media.

Yep looks good, So now can I get my gun list back from the Police ?

Originally Posted by paulyc

Yep looks good, So now can I get my gun list back from the Police ?

That should be quite straight forward, 'sell' them to a trusted licensed friend.

Submit an Official information act request for the records. Submit an update request based on the previously mentioned 'sale' submit another OIA request to confirm record of your holding's has been updated and perhaps subsequently re-acquire ?

Naww, Cahill is upset that his lobbying of the Minister wasn't good enough.

https://youtu.be/V6obdmfCOI8

Originally Posted by Sylvester

Naww, Cahill is upset that his lobbying of the Minister wasn't good enough.

https://youtu.be/V6obdmfCOI8

I heard him on the news earlier. Think I shed a tear.

We ll see the development in the next few days, but I reckon that individually we should send her a good message thanking her for a wise decision, showing our support to her .
On my way back from work I could hear the radio NZ news saying how her descision "failed the police recommendation" and chris Cahill was all over it. But frankly she stood her ground and took a fairly just descision. Good on her and stuff the media!

For anyone that missed it:

Police: Rejection of firearms advice will mean 'more people being shot'

He must have some pretty thick skin if he reads what we post, and what people comment on it lol.

It leaves us well aware of what the police are after and that we have to implacably oppose their bullshit and vote accordingly

Once a traitor, always a traitor

Cahill is the new Alpers, hopefully he will bugger off someplace else soon as well.

You have to wonder if the police shot themselves in the foot by publishing the new arms code , without first getting ministerial permission ,and tryin to undermine the authority of the minister, or had her opinions been leaked to them and they were hoping for a "fait accompli" in some country's this would be considered treason, pity it's not hear.

Send Paula Bennett an email to say thanks P.Bennett@ministers.govt.nz

Already did.

This exercise is called bait and switch. Those of you who have thanked the minister have scored an own goal. Licence holders have gained no respite from persecution. More controls are about to be inflicted upon us. Past police policy and bullying is about to be legitimized.

My reply to the ministers statement,
"The minister keeps referring to "Arms (Firearm Prohibition Orders and Firearms Licences) Amendment Bill". This I know nothing about.
This report is a disaster for firearms owners, as it legitimises current illegal activities inflicted on us by police. Increases the potential for further persecution, while giving the public a sense of relief that, "well, that wasn't so bad after all".
The mail-order process doesn't need clarification. It is clearly set out in the legislation. The minister needed to instruct police to obey the law.
A stand-down period after licence revocation. Where the hell is that going? Given that most licence revocations are the result of acrimonious relationships or police punishment for a citizen insisting that police follow the law, will this be used to further intimidate the licence holder, should they show any semblance of developing a spine?
Recording of serial numbers- voluntary process to continue. There is no voluntary process. There is only the police assembling a dysfunctional registry to condition the public to accepting registration. Where is the secure storage for this illegal process and why are public funds supporting it.
Determine appropriate security standards for A licences. That is just weasel words for increasing the cost to licence holders though increased security costs. Something the police are doing already through illegal policy and bullying. The legislation is quite clear as to the security requirements to deter children and opportunist thieves.
Licence suspension Just another tool for the thugs and bullies to use against the dissenters to their vision of a police state. No proof required, just the word of the blue thug.
Require the police to consult with the firearms community! How do you do that, when there is no body that represents licence holders. FCAF? how well does that work out? There is a power imbalance. The police hold all the cards. Dissent is ignored and only agreement is allowed.
Nowhere in this report is there a rollback of the intrusive and obscene conditions imposed upon licence holders by the 1983 act and it's amendments. The imposition of the need to prove ones innocence goes against the basis of our Westminster justice concept of innocent until proven guilty. The arms act in itself is a direct affront to our justice system and society.
Nothing the minister is proposing will address criminal offending with firearms, or criminals acquiring firearms. The only thing that will achieve that, is for police to get back to catching burglars, instead of persecuting the victims of burglary. A return to the principles of policing as devised by Robert Peel might be in order as the police clearly lack direction."

Originally Posted by JWB

This exercise is called bait and switch. Those of you who have thanked the minister have scored an own goal. Licence holders have gained no respite from persecution. More controls are about to be inflicted upon us. Past police policy and bullying is about to be legitimized.

My reply to the ministers statement,
"The minister keeps referring to "Arms (Firearm Prohibition Orders and Firearms Licences) Amendment Bill". This I know nothing about.
This report is a disaster for firearms owners, as it legitimises current illegal activities inflicted on us by police. Increases the potential for further persecution, while giving the public a sense of relief that, "well, that wasn't so bad after all".
The mail-order process doesn't need clarification. It is clearly set out in the legislation. The minister needed to instruct police to obey the law.
A stand-down period after licence revocation. Where the hell is that going? Given that most licence revocations are the result of acrimonious relationships or police punishment for a citizen insisting that police follow the law, will this be used to further intimidate the licence holder, should they show any semblance of developing a spine?
Recording of serial numbers- voluntary process to continue. There is no voluntary process. There is only the police assembling a dysfunctional registry to condition the public to accepting registration. Where is the secure storage for this illegal process and why are public funds supporting it.
Determine appropriate security standards for A licences. That is just weasel words for increasing the cost to licence holders though increased security costs. Something the police are doing already through illegal policy and bullying. The legislation is quite clear as to the security requirements to deter children and opportunist thieves.
Licence suspension Just another tool for the thugs and bullies to use against the dissenters to their vision of a police state. No proof required, just the word of the blue thug.
Require the police to consult with the firearms community! How do you do that, when there is no body that represents licence holders. FCAF? how well does that work out? There is a power imbalance. The police hold all the cards. Dissent is ignored and only agreement is allowed.
Nowhere in this report is there a rollback of the intrusive and obscene conditions imposed upon licence holders by the 1983 act and it's amendments. The imposition of the need to prove ones innocence goes against the basis of our Westminster justice concept of innocent until proven guilty. The arms act in itself is a direct affront to our justice system and society.
Nothing the minister is proposing will address criminal offending with firearms, or criminals acquiring firearms. The only thing that will achieve that, is for police to get back to catching burglars, instead of persecuting the victims of burglary. A return to the principles of policing as devised by Robert Peel might be in order as the police clearly lack direction."

theres always one party pooper eh what.!!! cuse me guvnor -ya middle moniker isnt pessimist by any chance -just askin. no reply neccessary.