Thread: Response to the Law and Order Select committee

Originally Posted by JWB

This exercise is called bait and switch. Those of you who have thanked the minister have scored an own goal. Licence holders have gained no respite from persecution. More controls are about to be inflicted upon us. Past police policy and bullying is about to be legitimized.

Etc, etc.

I believe we should acknowledge steps in the right direction as much as we oppose steps in the wrong direction. Surely you agree that the action of the Police Minister in this instance could have worked out a lot worse for the shooting public? Of course it doesn't mean that everyone should relax thinking that commonsense has prevailed. But if the only response to a decision which actually worked reasonably in our favor is more complaints, then from a politicians viewpoint we become the group that "They're never going to be happy regardless of what we do, so why should we cost ourselves votes from the other end of the political spectrum trying? Screw them."

I for one am going to email Paula Bennett my thanks and support, along with the hope that the rights of law-abiding firearms owners will be upheld going forward.

Originally Posted by PaulNZ

I believe we should acknowledge steps in the right direction as much as we oppose steps in the wrong direction. Surely you agree that the action of the Police Minister in this instance could have worked out a lot worse for the shooting public? Of course it doesn't mean that everyone should relax thinking that commonsense has prevailed. But if the only response to a decision which actually worked reasonably in our favor is more complaints, then from a politicians viewpoint we become the group that "They're never going to be happy regardless of what we do, so why should we cost ourselves votes from the other end of the political spectrum trying? Screw them."

I for one am going to email Paula Bennett my thanks and support, along with the hope that the rights of law-abiding firearms owners will be upheld going forward.

You just don't get it do you? The minister is not upholding the rights of law-abiding firearms owners.

There will be a new arms amendment which will include the illegal practices that police have previously carried out as policy.

There will be no addressing problems in the current act. No repeal of the reverse onus conditions in the current act.

Police will continue their current policy of inflicting the Thorp report upon licence holders through bully tactics. What works so well for them will not change.

Police will have additional tools to threaten and intimidate licence holders who insist that they follow the law.

Nothing in the amended act will stop criminals being criminals.

What is needed is for a repeal of the whole act. This will allow police to stop focusing on control of sporting equipment, and get back to dealing with violent assault, murder, theft and burglary, which are all amply provided for under the crimes act.

Originally Posted by JWB

You just don't get it do you? The minister is not upholding the rights of law-abiding firearms owners.

There will be a new arms amendment which will include the illegal practices that police have previously carried out as policy.

There will be no addressing problems in the current act. No repeal of the reverse onus conditions in the current act.

Police will continue their current policy of inflicting the Thorp report upon licence holders through bully tactics. What works so well for them will not change.

Police will have additional tools to threaten and intimidate licence holders who insist that they follow the law.

Nothing in the amended act will stop criminals being criminals.

Please tell us how you know what is going to be in the arms amendment bill that hasn't been written yet.

Originally Posted by GravelBen

Please tell us how you know what is going to be in the arms amendment bill that hasn't been written yet.

Certainly. By reading and comprehending the ministers report that she tabled in the house, and the ministers press release. Both confirm the actions being taken in the new "Arms (Firearm Prohibition Orders and Firearms Licences) Amendment Bill" as a response to the select committee report. I have no idea what else will be in there, but given that police are drafting this bill, be prepared for even more nasty surprises.

Originally Posted by JWB

Certainly. By reading and comprehending the ministers report that she tabled in the house, and the ministers press release. Both confirm the actions being taken in the new "Arms (Firearm Prohibition Orders and Firearms Licences) Amendment Bill" as a response to the select committee report. I have no idea what else will be in there, but given that police are drafting this bill, be prepared for even more nasty surprises.

hello we have chris cahill posting under a bloody covert entity or mate are you a psychic.coppers drafting the bill-GO READ JUSTICE MALLONS JUDGEMENT AND COMMENTS TO THE COPPERS fFS.they do not draft this countries laws ,full bloody stop despite what you or jesus h christ may think!