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If everyone adopted a shoot to kill attitude do you fellas reckon there would be fewer of us good bastards getting shot in the bush?
iv hunted with people in the past that seemed to just rush and shoot to hit rather then waiting for a better shot to drop the said prey quicker and I wonder if that's part of the problem??
Once you know what sex and approx age the animal is, next is to ensure a kill shot.
Kind of along the same line of thinking
Me and a mate were talking about the shooting and the guy was a older fella who done msc or whatever it was. It came from talking about people who wank on and on about head/neck shooting and we thought maybe the older guys as they are more confident they can shoot a deer in the bush, see slight movement assume its the head/neck and fire where as others may wait for the shoulder and find it's not a deer that walks out.
That theory came from watching people walk into the bush and its kinda [human, human, human, ok I see movement not sure what it could be] (as they moved back from us)
So it kinda makes a bit of sense to me
Can't edit but change older to experienced as some young guns are good shots and good hunters.
I get in the shit for shooting photos and not bringing the meat home:D
Nothing wrong with neck shooting when it's on I know a shotload of " experienced hunter's" who take neckshots I take all shots except head shot's. It depends on what part of the animal is available for a good shot, you might have a good veiw of the animal but the boiler room shot isn't clear enough but a neckshot is. I've let deer go because 50 50 shots arnt my thing and the whole time I'm identifing my target.its almost as if your implying that people who neck or head shoot arnt identifying there target??.I suggest you try a bit more hunting in the bush to really know what your talking aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by Toby
bloody shit phone
I never said they all do it. Just a possible thing that could be happening
So a guess then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
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Just a possible way I can see it happening. Sorry to offend you
Don't be sorry I offend people all the time and don't say sorry to them.its just not how I see it.shooting at movement is the problem in my veiw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toby
bloody shit phone
So that's your guess then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neckshot
Its more educated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage1
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I wasn't going to keep replying but this bit keeps bugging me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neckshot
I agree on it's the movement but I feel I haven't said what I mean properly (I am terrible at explaining things in writing)
I think it was shooting at movement like you said, but I was thinking of reasons why the guy shot at movement. And one of the reasons I think he may have shot at movement could be because through his eyes he saw a deers neck and being experienced enough to know he can drill a deer in the neck he just shot at it. Where as someone who doesn't care for neck shots and so on may wait for the shoulder to show and then find out its a person that walks into clear view
Still boils down to not identifying your target though
Hope I made it clearer that time
More arrogant that's for sure, more valid? I'm not so sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neckshot
Is that your guess?.its implying neck shots are made buy people not identifying their target thats a guess.if you have a problem with me personally Im easily found mateQuote:
Originally Posted by Savage1
bloody shit phone
It's my observation. You call a theory that a person that you've never met (assumption) a guess and tell him that he needs to do more hunting in the bush before he will know what he's talking about. That's arrogance, and you do it on a public forum which makes you look even more arrogant.
As for your last sentence, grow up, I've got better things to do than confront every person I have a petty difference in opinion with.
Good on you @Toby for making your own observations and still listening to others.
Sorry, woke up on the wrong side.
Change the attitudes away from the "I have to shoot something" is what is required. Too many people go into the bush and think if they don't kill something the hunt isn't successful. Hunting is not about killing animals, its about the experience. Seeing animals and not shooting them is still hunting. Walking away knowing you could have shot something without it even knowing you were there is pretty satisfying. Just because you've shot more animals than your mate or his mate does not make you a better hunter OR more experienced.
I NEVER go hunting with the attitude that I need to shoot an animal. If I see one great, if I shoot one...that's nice too, but if I return home empty handed I don't care. As a result of this I've had more enjoyable hunts, seen MORE animals, shot better animals, got some awesome footage and photos which last longer than a venison steak, and because of this I have never been in a position where I've felt uncomfortable hunting with my mates. These days I am lucky if I shoot 1% of what I see, and I shoot a number of meat animals a month and usually a couple of decent "trophy" type animals during the season.
My advice is, if you hear, see, or smell a deer/target animal...be prepared to sit and wait until you can tell what sex the animal is, what age it is, if you're after a stag...is it worth shooting or not? The only way to do this is to STOP and EVALUATE before you acquire the target and pull the trigger. You may lose the odd animal because of this but it WILL make you a better and safer hunter. Doubt me??? I challenge you to try it.
I concur :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JoshC
What both of them said......Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibo
Well put josh
Why? Newbies suck at stalking and feel the need to compensate by being faster at the end game.
(I'm talking at the movement / shadow shooters).
Well said Josh.
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Originally Posted by Dead is better
Why what??
a hunter with morals should have a "shoot to kill" practice. wounding an animal to die a slow death is just cruel. you nor the animal wins.
I think new Zealand has a fair few "hunters" that don't give animals the respect they deserve. some lesser game like possums and goats are basicly used as practice or targets a lot of people are willing to have the bullet hit anywhere, or try stupid things. iv seen on forums plenty of times... oh I will practice on a goat first. iv even seen one guy say im shooting goats with rimfire subs, im going to keep increasing the range until it doesn't work, or maybe it was start way out until it works, I cant remember but what an idiot.
its fairly simple.... its likely your not the only person in the bush, be 100% you know what your shooting and you have a safe backdrop behind the animal. end of!
Recent incidents would beg to differ mate. Most of the shooters in recent "accidental" hunter shootings have been reported as being "experienced hunters".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead is better
What's an experienced hunter though? Someone than goes out several times a week/month, or 4-5 times a year, one that's done a roar trip every year for 15 years?
I've hunted with a large number of newbies, in fact got many their first animal, in which I get great satisfaction from, and most if not all of them would have better hunting ethics, would be more careful with firearms, and would be more willing to listen and change their attitudes than some of the so-called "regular" hunters I see on forums and Facebook and in person.
Wow what a complete bell end that guy was...can't stand that sort of attitude,everything deserves to die in a humane way and not be walking around with bullet holes in it because of some fucktard...that shit really grinds my gears :yuush:Quote:
Originally Posted by bully
