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    I think the real issue starts with Police strategy around making Kiwi's "Feel" safe. This is vastly different to being safe, is subjective and impossible to quantify / measure. This leads the organisation down a line of implementing policy and policing practices which are aimed at winning popular support rather than focusing on the key underlying threats to safety. Ie deal with symptoms rather than illnesses. They are underresourced so I believe they are probably doing their best...well, trying to. But as an organisation it seems there are underperforming individuals who are rushing through changes to Policy which actually steps outside the lawful remit of the Police. Ie, policy which goes against legislation. The comment about underperforming individuals is targeted at those in the organisation who are letting this sort of stuff out into the public domain without due diligence being done on the work. This document wouldn't even get printed or socialised where I work because it is so flawed. It doesn't even appear to have been legally reviewed! It is a real embarrassment to their organisation and to those individuals who have approved putting this out in the public domain. It really is rookie material.
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    Quote Originally Posted by systolic View Post
    Yes. It has been for years. It's the section where the cops can impose conditions on your endorsement like you can only use a MSSA on a range if they want.

    Conditions on endorsements for Pistols and Restricted Weapons are under a different section of the Arms Act. Section 32. (Which is printed right above the part you misread).
    I didnt miss read it I miss wrote it, difference

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    @Feral you seem switched on to this how about coming up with a letter as you wrote that could be sent with a list of us that object to what and how they are going about this.some how have some way of us computer dum asses can click on it to add our support so they can see the number of us who object to this.

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    I've also alerted Mr. Mark to this, including a link, with the comment about the police up holding the law not side stepping parliment and its authority so hopefully that should get attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by berg243 View Post
    @Feral you seem switched on to this how about coming up with a letter as you wrote that could be sent with a list of us that object to what and how they are going about this.some how have some way of us computer dum asses can click on it to add our support so they can see the number of us who object to this.
    Will give it a couple more days to see what COLFO announces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feral View Post
    Nah I get paid to do this sort of technical policy stuff. This was just a quick hack tho, not comprehensive or legally referenced.

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    Okay, but thanks for doing it and providing perspective. Keep that coffee going, Mate
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    The irony I found was that it seems to have been snuck through with very little attempt to get feedback and yet n the same page we found this....

    Police's commitment to strengthening communication with the firearms community

    Following release of the Government’s response to the Law and Order Select Committee’s Report on issues relating to the illegal possession of firearms, the Police Executive is taking further steps to deliver stronger consultative and decision-making processes regarding our administration of the Arms Act.

    In keeping with the Government’s recommendations, we acknowledge we need to be more responsive in consulting with the Firearms Community Forum and the wider firearms community.

    As a result, we have introduced a new governance structure that provides greater oversight and direction of firearms related matters.

    A new Arms Act Service Delivery Group, incorporating the Arms Control Unit and the Arms Safety Control Project is in the process of being established to lead this work. This new Group will report directly to the Police Executive and be focused on improving administrative efficiency and strengthening communications and consultative processes. It will take some time to get this group fully functioning.

    In the interim the work already in progress will continue, and we will continue to consult with the Forum as an important conduit between Police and the firearms community.

    Theres a Tui ad right there.....!!!!!

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    A comment on another forum has also mentioned that those forms, which you'll have to sign, are a contract, so any breeches and your license is gone without due process. It appears they are looking for loop holes to do what they want without having to obay the actual act's.

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    This 'contract' is pretty dam offensive, effectively trying to use commercial law to give them a legal mandate. Licensed firearms owners are by nature a law abiding lot and it is irksome when the very body that is supposed to uphold the law is simply gaming it

    Is anyone aware if any other police contract where they try to do a similar thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by systolic View Post
    Yes. It has been for years. It's the section where the cops can impose conditions on your endorsement like you can only use a MSSA on a range if they want.

    Conditions on endorsements for Pistols and Restricted Weapons are under a different section of the Arms Act. Section 32. (Which is printed right above the part you misread).
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    Probably forgot what he was going to say!
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    One thing to note.

    All pistols are currently tightly controlled and restricted and REGISTERED. How did this stop a Taxi driver in Wellington being shot with a pistol? Police should have solved that already as the pistol will be registered??????
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    Quote Originally Posted by timattalon View Post
    One thing to note.

    All pistols are currently tightly controlled and restricted and REGISTERED. How did this stop a Taxi driver in Wellington being shot with a pistol? Police should have solved that already as the pistol will be registered??????
    How dare you bring irony and common sense to this forum? You'll just confuse most of the readers.
    As a side note to Feral, when you're next having a coffee, ponder as to how police will know what you intend to store in your safe, when you have no intention of telling them? Does this proposed policy's acceptance mean that police will be able to compile their much desired, illegal register as a condition of your security inspection?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWB View Post
    How dare you bring irony and common sense to this forum? You'll just confuse most of the readers.
    As a side note to Feral, when you're next having a coffee, ponder as to how police will know what you intend to store in your safe, when you have no intention of telling them? Does this proposed policy's acceptance mean that police will be able to compile their much desired, illegal register as a condition of your security inspection?
    You cannot use common sense with Police Hierarchy....clearly they have no comprehension of such a philosophical concept.....Its as big a challenge as honesty or communicating clearly with the public. And Logic has no place there....

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    Or putting it another way"dont confuse them with facts there minds are made up"

 

 

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