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    And so it goes on...

    The political bullshit and police spin continues. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...-exploit-loops Wonder if Stuart Nash listens to the electorate or is just another politician who thinks he knows how people should live?
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    Quote Originally Posted by keneff View Post
    The political bullshit and police spin continues. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...-exploit-loops Wonder if Stuart Nash listens to the electorate or is just another politician who thinks he knows how people should live?
    Why don't you write to Nash and ask him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by systolic View Post
    Why don't you write to Nash and ask him?
    Probably cannot be bothered with the automated reply he will get?

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    I wouldn’t have a problem with career criminals being given a firearm prohibition order but they need to lock the bastard’s up when they ignore it.
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    "which included modernising the legislation"

    Does that mean that we can do something sensible like classing all Ar15s as A-cats and reserve the E-cat classification for people who use only large capacity mags of 60 rounds or more?

    Or making a firearm usage crime count as two out of three strikes for criminals?
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    A Law and Order Committee report from April said police believed most illicit firearms entered the illicit market through theft, through firearms dealers, illegal transfer to unlicensed owners, or illegal importing.
    Well sort your shit out and deal with all this illegal activity! Ask for changes to be made to aid you in this.

    "I have asked officials to consult with stakeholders and come up with a work plan on any necessary changes around firearms such as those discussed in the Briefing to the Incoming Minister."
    Hypocrisy. What have they tried recently without consulting stakeholders?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 308 View Post
    "which included modernising the legislation"

    Does that mean that we can do something sensible like classing all Ar15s as A-cats and reserve the E-cat classification for people who use only large capacity mags of 60 rounds or more?

    Or making a firearm usage crime count as two out of three strikes for criminals?
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    It pains me to say this.

    We are not going to win ANY lifting of magazine capacity restrictions as regards A/E cat categorisation. You can currently rapid fire 8 rounds in a semi auto rifle, quite fast fire 11 rounds in a Lee or a .22 semi-auto. That's the ceiling and whether we admit it or not there's a rationale behind that particular restriction. Arguing otherwise just causes loss of credibility.

    The passive-aggressive frankly stupid type of legislation such as that free-standing grips, "flash hiders" and bayonet lugs is an easier target as they arguably have nothing to do with public safety, everything to do with gun hate... on a par with, say, a suggestion that all sporting guns must be PINK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
    @308 and @gadgetman

    It pains me to say this.

    We are not going to win ANY lifting of magazine capacity restrictions as regards A/E cat categorisation. You can currently rapid fire 8 rounds in a semi auto rifle, quite fast fire 11 rounds in a Lee or a .22 semi-auto. That's the ceiling and whether we admit it or not there's a rationale behind that particular restriction. Arguing otherwise just causes loss of credibility.

    The passive-aggressive frankly stupid type of legislation such as that free-standing grips, "flash hiders" and bayonet lugs is an easier target as they arguably have nothing to do with public safety, everything to do with gun hate... on a par with, say, a suggestion that all sporting guns must be PINK!

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    The whole MSSA thing was just a move "to be seen to be doing something" rather than fixing the actual issues that existed. Police already had the powers/legislation to fix the issues before the incidents, and were warned that they should use those powers before something happened. Police had to ask for measures like this to take away attention from themselves for their systematic failure to act in a timely manner. Full scrutiny was avoided. The Mahon Report into the Erebus Disaster was still relatively fresh and I don't think they wanted anything like that looking at them.
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    My expectation would be that police HQ will push for all of the select committee recommendations to be adopted.

    My take on the modenization thing; the arms act and later arms amendment bill were written when the bulk of gun owners were either farmers, or hunters, who would steriotypically have a swandri, a pikau and a sporterised .303. Times have certainly changed, with other things like precision rifle shooting, service rifle shooting and ipsc/3gun becoming mainstream sporting use for guns. Clearly police fear this change, and desire a strangle hold on firearm use outside of their opinion of "sporting" is. I feel that they have grown totally out of touch with the shooting community and sports. For example, "black rifle" owners are no longer a small niche group that can be pushed around by policy, for fear of rocking the boat.

    When the time comes, submissions need to be in the thousands, unless you want a roll back to the pre 2009 situation or worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cordite View Post
    @308 and @gadgetman

    It pains me to say this.

    We are not going to win ANY lifting of magazine capacity restrictions as regards A/E cat categorisation. You can currently rapid fire 8 rounds in a semi auto rifle, quite fast fire 11 rounds in a Lee or a .22 semi-auto. That's the ceiling and whether we admit it or not there's a rationale behind that particular restriction. Arguing otherwise just causes loss of credibility.

    The passive-aggressive frankly stupid type of legislation such as that free-standing grips, "flash hiders" and bayonet lugs is an easier target as they arguably have nothing to do with public safety, everything to do with gun hate... on a par with, say, a suggestion that all sporting guns must be PINK!

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    and what has happened to all the findings etc that came out of this "select committee when paula bennett gave em a good rark up .
    oh hold on i get it another taxpayer funded socialist mental masturbation scenario.
    stuart nash -dunno if theres any proof in his pudding although comrade cahill obviously thinks so.whn are poice NHQ gonna realise if they cant sort out shit under present arms act ,isnt
    giving them more powers gonna confuse the poor buggers even further.
    sounds like Hon justice jillian mallon needs to pay them another visit and deliver a very dainty stilleto up the blue draped khyber

 

 

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