I read elsewhere that he got shot from behind and it exited on a weird angle out of his shoulder.
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I read elsewhere that he got shot from behind and it exited on a weird angle out of his shoulder.
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Now now, everyone is entitled to their opinion. We have freedom of speech in this country remember? Oh wait....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xUYbI64QHI
Our forces do an amazing job and are very well respected. They are involved a lot in humanitarian, peace keeping and civil emergency operations as well. They took care of our central city after the big shake ups.
Guys, I didn't want to cause offence. But seriously I don't see the need of having like 15000 people on a payroll for doing wargames and pretend missions. Just consider how much it could be spent on uplifting the plight of the poor people we see in places like tokoroa/ Gisborne etc. It'll keep these people happy so that we won't even need an army to put down unrest etc.
A lot of small countries have a protectorate agreement with large ones, for example if we had US, Australian, French and maybe even Chinese bases here, we could play them against each other and get significant payouts in terms of investment etc.
I'm just putting another point of view, devils advocate sort of, just to see what discussion points could be brought up.
Vbull, fair enough.
The problem with having a military during peacetime is that they don't have a clearly necessary purpose, especially if (as in our case) it's been 70 years since we were last seriously threatened by another nation. Then complacency sets in, and the reason for their existence is forgotten.
To me the military are like an insurance policy. Better to have one than not.
parkside dairy in Geraldine would loose a huge amount of money/custom if the boys n gals in green stopped passing through here.......
Fit and able young beneficiary's drafted I recon, leave school no job no quals in ya go and learn something....if nothing else respect for authority.
Here's some reading. It takes a lot to grow a military and a lot to maintain the skills within. Do away with readiness and you do away with any ability to respond to a changing evironment.
http://www.army.mil.nz/downloads/pdf...ncept-2035.pdf
Also, read about the British army in the inter war years and also the guns vs butter analogy, which is sort of what you're talking about.
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There was a time even fairly recently where our flag and the silver kiwi patch was worth more than the plate carrier it was affixed to.
We were known as fair and decent until pushed.
Then once pushed we were known as profoundly skilled in our craft.
Sadly with the advent of the modern neo/geo/religo cunt, that is by the wayside.
However to dismiss our services as unnecessary is just straight ignorance.
If you can't find the brain cells to figure out a nation undefended is a nation owned then enjoy your new leader.
Shit, they claim our pavlova, our flag (admittedly they change it a little bit) and our Phar lap. They are not so sure about Russel Crowe (but if he gets a conviction I am sure they will send him back.) But now they want the whole bloody country???? I dare them, I bloody dare them. They will become West Island in no time and it wont be an Australasian dollar, It will be a kiw-asian dollar!!!!!! Only rpoblem is us kiwis know we dont want a beach in the middle of an ISLAND!!!! Especially if it doesn't have water there.
you didnt want to cause offence-well you did .spend money on the poor -firing money at a problem -politicians idea of a fix -often it just enables the bloody behaviour -hence we now have multi generations of beneficiaries.as an ex TF soldier one of the highlights of my career was to observe the limited service volunteer courses run by whom -the military!turned idle undisciplined aimless youngsters into productive disciplined persons with ambitions in life and iwas told 98%graduated to employment. hmm interesting too that idea now features in a lot of high schools.
my civilian career is mental health and if you'd seen half of what id seen in 4.75 decades in that filed itd make ya yoghurt curdle!a hell of a lot was the poor for want of a belittling term which you seeming use blase".
I realise youve got rights to self expression -we all have ,but sometimes old socialist peacenik pie in the sky nuts like this are better left unsaid particularly on forums like this.
finally who was out on the frontline with emergency services &police in Christchurch earthquakes-the bloody green machine -yes 17/18yr old partime soldiers and regular force and its not the first time! Id dsuggest you do a little research too and you may be suprised to find our defence force besides its primary role also does a lot of peacetime work in the pacific,and certainly one of the first called in if their is a natural disaster in polynesia. as for auusie -its now so far up trumps chuff they'll probably put his hairpiece on their new flag! their military machine is larger but in soldeir training Id back our own guys against em any time!!
I came from an impoverished family in one of the town's you mention. The NZDF provided me with an opportunity to further myself that I otherwise would never have had and I owe the Army a debt of gratitude to this very day for making me who I have become. You could not be more wrong in my opinion.
While I was never in the armed forces, when I was a teenager I was in a similar enviroment that provided routine, structure, discipline and regulation. Those 5 years at Boarding school were EXACTLY what I needed. With that experience I am a far better man than I would ever have been without it. And I would expect that the similar structure and regimen in the Armed forces will do the same for a lot of young kiwi men. Especially in todays enviroment where discipline and honour are concepts most youth seem to be completely unaware of having received little to none in their formative years.
One of the strongest points from the experience was the loyalty to others and the honesty and integrity that follows. No matter how much they liked or did not like you, they would stand beside you like a brother with you in any situation, If you did something wrong and you were challenged no one would dob you in, but they would remind you that you are responsible for "owning up to it". As such, if anyone asked "Who did that?' the person responsible would not stay silent but would step forward and accept their responsibility. Definitely not a quality that is common in todays world....Imagine Mallard asking the 120 poli-children in his care "Who leaked Bridges travel expenses?" and having the culpit own up without hiding thier involvment. It would save a fortune on enquiries that would be better spent elsewhere.
Your being very naive and blind . There is more to any Defence force than playing bang bang games .
There is the Fisheries protection , and search and rescue which extends to foreign nationals which gives good press as to how far we will go , Security from external and even internal threats . Then the bangbang games with foreign countries leads to political capital ( and we play with many countries US / Poms / Asians etc ) , which can be used for Trade & such things as work permits ( as in the English ) ect . There are so many ways of things happening behind the scenes that are not seen or even acknowledged .
Soviet union had full employment, but resorted to elevator operators etc.
USA also stimulates its economy, especially with artificial jobs in the defense industry. Fuelled by loans.
The economy does not care where from and how the money enters, as long as it gets stimulated.
Think its something to do with pyramids, confidence and scheming.
Geezuss @vbull I read your freedom of speech.I speak and type freely under the influence. But fark man the green machine has turned lots of young people into better people than the trash that is out there walking the streets today. I have always been courteous and respectful to my elders but when I joined the green machine I became a better fella than on civvie street. Rant over hope our fellow soldier is on the mend.
Better to have a solution for a problem that never arises than to have a problem arise with no solution.
RE Fiji ,
Realise that NZ & Fiji Armies trained together back in the day , also I heard that the forward recce , done by the SAS in civies , into Fiji by commercial civie flight , where recognised by Fijian troops at the airport , put back on the plane , & told to stay out of IT , also I think the powers to be , realised that the Fijians would actually fight , and NZ would lose quite a few guys , so they where never sent .
GDMP, there is actually fairly compelling results from studies in several countries that disproves your statement. Do some reading about basic income pilots all over the world, and you will see results such as decreased hospital visits, increased mental health, increased school graduation figures and more.