Morning Guys
well we have had another fellow hunter shot
take a read
Man shot by hunting companion - National - NZ Herald News
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Morning Guys
well we have had another fellow hunter shot
take a read
Man shot by hunting companion - National - NZ Herald News
:yuush:
Hope he recovers.....not much to go on from the paper clip, thoughts are with him and his family....
yea they are lucky they ran into a guy with a beacon
and managed to get out
not 100% sure but heard a father shot his son in the chest :(
Truly hope I am wrong
I really do feel for all involved, no one take it the wrong way......but shit I'm sick of reading of this crap happening every-roar when all the dreamers hit the bush.
Makes you wonder if some sort of harsh punishment would make people identify there target properly.
Yea that would not be nice if that was trueQuote:
Originally Posted by sako75
Wouldn't make a difference mate! If the thought of killing someone isnt enough to make them think nothing will!Quote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
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Yep makes me angry when I hear this , I may be too black and white for some over this but there is no excuseQuote:
Originally Posted by BRADS
YeahQuote:
Originally Posted by username
Another unnecessary act of stupidity. Hope he pulls through okay.
Thing is, most guys that shoot their mates are actually not the once a year warriors but rather the experienced hunters... complacency maybe?
Bloody shame nonetheless.
Not necessarily an identification problem, could be a safety issue.
Considering one never has to actually handle a firearm when being approved for a FAL I am surprised there are not more accidents. And one does not need a FAL to go hunting with a rifle...one does need to be with someone who does have a FAL, but then if the FAL holder is a fuckwit the chances of dangerous practises at the very least doubles.
Seen exactly that plenty of times Spook. Guys with very bad firearms handling practices passing on there bad habits to inexperienced newbies. I have said it before and I will say it again. I believe we should have an actual firearm handling competency test on top of the regulations exam in order to get your FAL. They do this in Canada and it works very well.
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Originally Posted by Spook
we don't know anything yet, news reports don't mean shit and are usually very inaccurate from the news reports i've read of emergencies i have attended.
Could be any explanation to come out yet.
yea and apparenty theres a hunter stuck in fiordland some where and the chopper can get to him
The standard for many years has been to attend a MSC class for a couple of hours and sit a test. When I did mine in the 80's the instructor would help people to get the correct answers.
Maybe it is the system that is failing. Could be that as part of obtaining a FAL a compulsory attendance at a certified club to show understanding of handling and identifying the target as Bryan mentioned
People have to demonstrate competence with a drivers licence, in yet people still manage to die on the roads.
The amount of hurdles to get a firearms licence is just right if you ask me. Changing it will only add more cost, red tape and inconvenience to you and I.
This is a circular annual discussion.
A cynic might suggest that by condemning others we feel more secure in ourselves. "I would never do that"...."yeah, right"
I would prefer though that it leaves us feeling more vulnerable, more less perfect, and more likely that we could make the same mistake. That way we remain alert to our our imperfections, and in the absence of absolute vigilance we could quite easily make the same terrible mistake.
I can only hope that none of us or anyone we know, hunt with or are related to ever experience a tragedy such as this..... We can only wish the lad shot and the family all the best and the best of luck for a full and healthy recovery , then and only then can we hope that they come out of this ordeal intact as a family and explain to the hunting fraternity and the public what happened and put the story straight....... If we can learn from this then we are all better equipped.
had to fix it.
@Tahr Beautiful. Bravo.
@Roy Lehndorf well said.
Lets not point the finger fellas, lets learn from this. If you can't identify the age and sex of an animal, dont squeeze the trigger. A simple rule that saves lives!
and species
This!!!! Be a lot harder to learn this lesson first hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
This sort of thing makes me want to stay home for my first roar, or at least not go in anywhere there's any parked cars. Scary shit. Really hope he comes through ok.
Not wanting to scare you any more than you are now mate, but many hunters get dropped off at road ends by their partners just so they don't have to worry about their vehicle being left unattended...so you have absolutely know idea who is in the area.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyP
With our road toll you are more likely to have a motor vehicle accident getting to and from your hunt than being shot at in the bush.
You being a newbie hunter going in for your first roar has probably sent a few shivers up and down the spine of one or two on here.
Heard on the radio yesterday that the young man died. Haven't checked it out though. Apparently it was his father who shot him.
Having just lost my own son I can only say there can only be one thing worse than losing your son to suicide and that is having killed him yourself! My heart goes out to the family. But we all need to take note and figure out how we ourselves will avoid this type of tragedy. Awareness is a good start.
I agree with the poor firearms handling aspect. Then there's safe hunting practices. I recall passing up a shot at some goats because I did not know where my companion was. That same companion and his brother passed up a shot at a deer because they could not make out the whole deer even though they knew in their minds it was a deer. They couldn't make out the sex or age or whether it was someone's dog. But neither these two fellows or myself are immune to making mistakes. I most certainly have made mistakes. Fortunately I was saved by multiple safety practices on those occasions. Those mistakes scared me. I took note and strove never to repeat them. Constant vigilance is key.
There's been nothing in the news for a couple of days. So doubt he has died.Quote:
Originally Posted by 303Guy
He is aparently up and about but will require more surgery.
A quote from someone who knows the guy
It seems the young fella was up and about today with more surgery to come. Bullet went in below ribs, ruptured spleen and exited, by the sound of it, rather cleanly under his armpit.
Very lucky boy by the sounds of itQuote:
Originally Posted by Pengy
Too many people with itchy trigger fingers in my opinion. I've hunted with "experienced" hunters that still shoot at any deer they see or think they see. I personally don't see how you could possibly do it. If you can't see enough to tell its a person or a deer you should never take the shot. End of story in my opinion.
If you have to take time to make sure of a deer and it runs off who cares.
Lucky to be alive for sure,but not lucky getting shot by the old man. That would be hard for both.
A friend of mine a long time hunter told me of the time he nearly shot a tramper, He and a mate were hunting in the Southern Alps in the early 80's when my friend saw what he thought were deer coming towards him at about 400m he set himself up to take a shot his mate spotting for him through binos called to him to stop they are trampers, my mate waited and sure enough at 200m he saw that the deer he had a bead on was wearing a red Swany, I've seen this dude shoot Hare's at 400m there is no doubt that he would have hit that tramper, he was a Mountain safety firearms instructor and very experienced hunter, he said he wanted to see a deer so bad that's what he saw, the mind plays tricks on you be vigilant out there.
Wise words shooternz. I try to keep this in the back of my mind every time I hear something in the bush ''Assume everything that moves is a human before identifying as otherwise''. At long distances the eyes can play tricks on you.
Thank goodness for that. There are times I am happy to be wrong!Quote:
A quote from someone who knows the guy
It seems the young fella was up and about today ...
I like that one. Very good advice. I shall make it my mantra.Quote:
''Assume everything that moves is a human before identifying as otherwise''
Me and my old man and bro did the Hollyford a few years back, we were slugging along the lake edge one day, I was the only one with a gun an it was strapped to my pack at that stage. I saw two objects just up in the bushline that were obviously moving at walking pace, my first thought was what are a couple of trampers doing up there, but when we got about 30m from them I saw they were a couple of deer. In the end I think its just how you train your mind and "assuming its a person until identified otherwise" is an awesome practice.
I also used to do a lot of goat shooting on a farm that also had sheep on, me and another fuller got up close on a mob in some thick dead gorsey shit, had a bit of a blast up and were just reloading when another animal popped out, my mate just up shot, I was like "fuck man are you sure that was a goat?" he was just like "yea I think so" turns out it was a fluffy goat with short legs and a daggy arse and I was right to be mistaken, I just dont think he'd taken the time make sure it wasnt a sheep.
I just dont get the big problem with just waiting another couple of seconds to be sure? personally I think its a mixture of ego and carelessness.
I fear that some people, no matter what is taught, told or trialled are just not cut out to own and operate a firearm. We can all voice our opinions of how easy it is to be safe but some people just cant get it. We all just have to hope like hell we are not there when their brain farts.
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EP5 - Fire Arms Safety with Nicole McKee from the the Mountain Safety Council 04/21 by The Hunting Show | Hobbies Podcasts
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