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Hope they get proper time.
Is .455 a relatively uncommon calibre in nz? You'd think a search on the police computer with something like that would bang out some quick results...
suprising that the cops give a shit
"Get in contact with the police", yea good one you lazy fucks! look up your own records of what has been reported stolen for fucks sake! They will be in that great big "wont collect revenue " file.
Its not like everyone everywhere reads every news report.
Its a wonder that they even new what they were. Some of them are pretty green these days:P
"Eeerrrrm sarge there's a few bangsticks in here"
Nah the handful of cops I know are a wee bit more savvy than that.
obviously an uninformed opinion or is there some history to the post. I work along side the Police a fair bit and have found them to be nothing but diligent and on to it, pity that the legal process afterwards needs to be sorted. The new cop on the beat has probably passed tests that you couldn't and is better and more informed now more than ever.
Lazy cunts wouldn't even look at the crime scene when my jet ski was stolen. Was asked if it was insured and when I said no the lady on the phone basicly said we aint even looking for it then.... so yea you're right some history there G A.
that's a bumma VC I would of pushed the envelope had it been me, always some one lets the majority down in any job. Sergeant should of been notified for a please Explain from the watch house staff member.
Same with meQuote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Me wonders if they still had the old firearm register in play that it may help reunite the owners sooner.
Then again, who's to say the recovered firearms belonged to legitimate owners ?
Soo many thinks to think about.
Just be thankful they are no longer in the unsafe hands of their last keepers.
Me wonders if they still had the old firearm register in play that it may help reunite the owners sooner.
Then again, who's to say the recovered firearms belonged to legitimate owners ?
Soo many things to think about.
Just be thankful they are no longer in the unsafe hands of their last keepers.
Sorry for double post website paused on me....
At some point they must have had legitimate owners?
I am pretty sure the only way to get police to look for your stolen stuff is to say it had firearms in itQuote:
Originally Posted by longrange308
Webley's are fairly collectible. Hopefully it doesn't end up destroyed. If the markings or numbers have been ground off there is bugger all to go on.
Oh yeah they do, but what happens if they were taken from someone who wasn't suppose to possess them, don't see them rocking up to the cop shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
It is a pity they no longer record owners and firearms/serial numbers, I'm sure they do for E cat stuff don't they ?
Believe me , we are way better with the current system .
Since there is a compulsory register in France(1992), more and more restrictions are put in place ( on average every 5 to 7 years) and the little freedom that legitimate hunters and shooters had is thinning down quickly with no effects on the criminal activities with illegal guns.
You can think otherwise but you are probably living in dreamworld, I have seen and lived the reality of it!
The only thing the police is likely to trace is the pistol, assuming it was once on the b-cat register.
A cat firearms do not have their details recorded, why ? Coz the vast majority of owners have a hissyfit fit when the word firearms register even gets mentioned... How the fcuk do you expect the police to trace stuff when you make it impossible for them to do so ?
All new firearms have serials recorded, both into the country, and when sold from the retailer.
If the owner of stolen arm, jo blogs, directed ploice to that retailer, the numbers would be there.
Alas too many onsold, and modded arms are not photod and recorded, by the owner. Also how many second hand arms have been been dealt on the likes of tardme, and not recorded by the sellar and new owner.
I believe all arms should be recorded and photod, as this would help regain ownership.
I know people are paranoid about these details being used as a shopping list, but if it is kept quiet and safe, there is no real reason not to do it.
My2cents
A responsible owner would record their serial numbers (no need to pass them onto the police if you don't want to)Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
Then, when they get nicked you can tell the police exactly what's missing. Unless they weren't reported missing in the first place, which you are obliged to
This is of course if said stolen firearms still had their serial numbers intact.
Firearm registries should be expanded to control files and grinders too.
Yep had the same with a motor bike, car broken into (three fucking times), helping them with stolen chainsaws, ute fully spray painted (pink dazzle) by some boys who we found through friends of friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
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Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Same thing here. They sent me a letter saying there wasn't enough evidence to continue the case.
so I rang them and said wtf that's because you never turned up to investigate it!
then the subject turns to so I will have to catch my own criminal will I?
No sir, you can't hold someone against there will.
Useless
This " shopping list" unfortunately is what has happened across the ditch in Tasmania: someone sold or "lost" a copy of the registry and the crims know all about who owns what, where, what job he has etc etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Comfortably_Numb
We dont need anyone else knowing what we own. I think our system is by far a world leader in both its' simplicity and its' operation.
I think it is wise to keep at least a record of your firearms yourself , to possibly help catch some crims, but as far as recovering the guns?
Any guns most blokes here own would be chopped, ground up and knackered by the time the plods get around to handing them back, so who would want them back anyway? They would be useless by then to a sportsman.
had a workmate who incidentally holds licence for nearly all categories tell me the tale of the coppers visiting him recently doing a security inspection.half of what he had in stock ,they had no record of.He patiently explained to them he'd had most of this for 5+yrs and had been scrupulous in ensuring he followed every regulation to the letter!
despite G's repeated enquiries they still cannot come up with an answeras to where the lists hes provided got to apart from an embarrassed request he provide a new list .
Given what he has It scares the shit out of him that someone could be so careless with paperwork.
And they want to revamp the bloody arms act -god give me bloody strength.
Inspector Joe green the Police HQ firearms head honcho needs to get out and boot a few sloppy arses me thinks!
The police can't even keep up with the details of the endorsed licence holders firearms-they have NEVER had my list correct, and I have been able to prove that the fault is a there end every time.
How on earth could they hope to keep up with everybody's A cat stuff?
I keep a list of all my serial numbers for all firearms and have it backed up several places, including with my insurance company.
If the police can return recovered bikes if the serial number is given to them then I'm sure the same checking process could be done with firearms.
Police only have a certain amount of funding, which has been frozen for the past 5? years. Because of this they don't have enough officers to attend every crime scene so they must be triaged over the phone. If it's clear that there is not going to be any evidence left at the scene then it won't be attended as there simply isn't the manpower.
Whinging about the Police over a forum will do nothing, putting in formal complaints will, which I actively encourage people to do when they are dis-satisfied with the service.
Most people have no idea how hard it is to solve a burglary and just what is needed to bring them before the courts and how many man hours it takes.
Nobody is more frustrated than the Police Officers, trust me.
A simple firearms register would help no end with a lot of investigations, especially linking people to burglaries and returning stolen firearms. I've taken a fair few burglary reports and I can't remember a single one where the firearm serial numbers have been provided, let alone TVs etc. I don't why people are so anti it, the government isn't after your guns and Police have nothing against firearm users, if a cheap efficient system was viable then I'd be all for it. I've seen a few pistols returned to the owners and offenders charged with burglary because they were able to be traced back through the b-cat system.
Shopping list theory is rubbish, there are much easier ways to find out where guns are without hacking a computer system.
Or just record the numbers yourself and provide them when needed.
Well put
A bit of man power could be directed away from traffic IMO
I better not put my opinion down on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Since the merging of the MOT and Police, Police have to provide a certain amount of road policing or they lose that portion of the funding. A lot of the funding for the booze bus is provided by ACC for example, can't take that funding and give it to the Burglary Squad.
It amazes me that people don't have there serial numbers recorded,as being able to pass this info onto police after a theft seems common sense.
I don't personally think there would be much "shopping list" thefts if there was full registration-surely the guns that would be targeted this way are the ones that are already registered??
Well, even if the gun are registered, that DOES NOT stop criminal from trying to steal them and make bad use of them!they don't care!
All the registry would do is help return the guns to their owners and maybe,I insist on maybe link the gun theft to the criminal who use it.Again would be better if the security was beefed up and guns were not stolen in first place.
But from the moment your guns are registered, nothing stops the powers in place to take them off your hands.
Basically all you need to do is grind off all the markings to make it impossible to return, unless it is a distinctive firearm
As I said, a listof photos and serials kept safe, will help, however this should be kept "to yourself" and presented only when needed.
nothing personal savage ,but i had a similar incident a few years back when myFAL came up for renewal.because ive depression -they had to go to my GP-iwas only too happy to ok this -nothing to hide there.
however i had a file made up with each individual weapons given photo .full description plus the unique i d mark i put on each of my weapons.I was bluntly told 'we dont want it."I politely pointed out how it could be of instant assistance in the event of a burglary ,or god help us all if they ever got a callout to my home(at least they'd have some inkling of what they could be up against).I was thanked for my kind offer ,particularly the second bit which the gent had never come across before, but policy was policy ,so we left it at that.
working in mental health as i do I share your vivid frustrations re funding .another of lifes wee anomalies "hi guys the jobs getting more complicated by the second but you'llcope cause were gonna take a little more funding off you anyway"
We know funding is an issue, but that doesn't mean we can't discuss issues we find wrong with the police force between our selves on a forum. Does that do anything in the way of changing things, no. But do you REALLY believe that making a formal complaint to the police about the police does anything? Please....
Like what do you say in your complaint anyway? I called the police after a burglary and they didn't investigate, assuming it's even read they just throw it in the "nothing we can do about it because of funding" basket.
I feel that is a bit strong Jex
I do, however, see where you are coming from.