Thread: Useing the firearms register

Originally Posted by Maca49

Having different tyres on me mates boat was a fail for a WOF the other day. 3x 8 ply, got a new tyre and they put on a different ply. Sorry mate they have to match. Figured they were applying the new firearm registration rules

Yeah that's been a thing for a while - all ratings must match although I was able to get one boat trailer through with a different rating on the front axle to the rear. I think that was because the heavier rating pair were on the front (braked) axle. I dunno, the inspector called it out as not ideal but couldn't actually fail it.

Forced into registering because I bought a new gun. Tried to register the re-barrelled single shot rifle as 45 ACP (which was stamped on the receiver). Not listed as an option in their drop-down menu for calibers, so emailed them asking for it to be added. I even attached photos showing stamping and a 45 ACP headstamp in the breech. They emailed back wanting additional photos, asked me to remove the scope to show additional info that might be under it. I sent more photos and then they cottoned on to what I was asking and said just ring up to register and quote a firearms register number of the unmodified rifle, and they'd change the caliber. When I did, they didn't want to know the number they'd given me, then couldn't find and wouldn't add 45 ACP, and wanted me to call it a 45 COLT. I refused. They changed it to 45 AUTO, and then wanted me to acknowledge the declaration about providing false information etc. All I wanted was for the register to match what was stamped on the receiver. When they told me their arms officer said to change it to 45 COLT, I told them if he thought 45 ACP and 45 COLT were the same, they need a new arms officer.

The firearms I verbally registered back in July (after I bought a rifle and triggered the requirement) still aren't appearing on the website.
I've now sold one I could register. But to be able to edit my registered firearms, I have to go with a printed form to a Police station to prove that my FSA profile (from my RealMe profile used to get a passport) is me.

You couldn't write a comedy on this.

Originally Posted by dogmatix

The firearms I verbally registered back in July (after I bought a rifle and triggered the requirement) still aren't appearing on the website.
I've now sold one I could register. But to be able to edit my registered firearms, I have to go with a printed form to a Police station to prove that my FSA profile (from my RealMe profile used to get a passport) is me.

You couldn't write a comedy on this.

I'm not convinced it's pure incompetence/negligence and more malicious

[QUOTE=schwen;1520290]Forced into registering because I bought a new gun. Tried to register the re-barrelled single shot rifle as 45 ACP (which was stamped on the receiver). Not listed as an option in their drop-down menu for calibers, so emailed them asking for it to be added. I even attached photos showing stamping and a 45 ACP headstamp in the breech. They emailed back wanting additional photos, asked me to remove the scope to show additional info that might be under it. I sent more photos and then they cottoned on to what I was asking and said just ring up to register and quote a firearms register number of the unmodified rifle, and they'd change the caliber. When I did, they didn't want to know the number they'd given me, then couldn't find and wouldn't add 45 ACP, and wanted me to call it a 45 COLT. I refused. They changed it to 45 AUTO, and then wanted me to acknowledge the declaration about providing false information etc. All I wanted was for the register to match what was stamped on the receiver. When they told me their arms officer said to change it to 45 COLT, I told them if he thought 45 ACP and 45 COLT were the same, they need a new arms officer.[/QUOTE]

They are stone cold eedjits

Ok, dumbass questions
1) If I buy a firearm off an unregistered person, do I need to register it as an activating circumstance? (I had thought that I did)
2) If I buy or somehow acquire an unregistered or "grey" gun at some point in the future, whether I am registered or not, how do I bring that gun into the fold, as it were?

My view
1. Yes that is an activating event (for both parties).
2. Add it to your registered firearms.

FYI #1
When purchasing a rifle from someone who has not registered: Technically this is an activating event for them - the seller - but the buyer is not required to record/provide their details to the registry, so they are effectively ignored by the registry and can continue being unregistered if it is their choice to do so, and not the buyers obligation to pursue. I confirmed this recently when purchasing and registering another rifle.
FYI #2
When registering a rifle that was not previously registered: Do not make the mistake of ringing the ‘transfers’ line as I did, the operator will go into a flap because the seller is technically required to notify the registry of the sale, who then contact you (the buyer) to complete the transfer. If you as the buyer initiate the transfer, they will get confused because it will potentially create an additional duplicate entry onto the system, which apparently is a ‘problem’. This scenario is predicated on the assumption that the seller is fulfilling their obligation of activating circumstances. If you believe the seller is not going to do this, just ring the registration line (not transfers) and register the firearm. You don’t have to provide any information of where it came from, or who the seller was.

Originally Posted by No.3

Yeah that's been a thing for a while - all ratings must match although I was able to get one boat trailer through with a different rating on the front axle to the rear. I think that was because the heavier rating pair were on the front (braked) axle. I dunno, the inspector called it out as not ideal but couldn't actually fail it.

same spec on same axel is what I believe it is now...I often run my tandem axel trailer with two diferent heights...bro in laws ute was higher so if trailer had same tryes the front would be off ground lol...two different heights fixed the issue.

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Originally Posted by schwen

Forced into registering because I bought a new gun. Tried to register the re-barrelled single shot rifle as 45 ACP (which was stamped on the receiver). Not listed as an option in their drop-down menu for calibers, so emailed them asking for it to be added. I even attached photos showing stamping and a 45 ACP headstamp in the breech. They emailed back wanting additional photos, asked me to remove the scope to show additional info that might be under it. I sent more photos and then they cottoned on to what I was asking and said just ring up to register and quote a firearms register number of the unmodified rifle, and they'd change the caliber. When I did, they didn't want to know the number they'd given me, then couldn't find and wouldn't add 45 ACP, and wanted me to call it a 45 COLT. I refused. They changed it to 45 AUTO, and then wanted me to acknowledge the declaration about providing false information etc. All I wanted was for the register to match what was stamped on the receiver. When they told me their arms officer said to change it to 45 COLT, I told them if he thought 45 ACP and 45 COLT were the same, they need a new arms officer.[/QUOTE]

They are stone cold eedjits

Mine was the very opposite and the lady was easily able to add in my wildcat rounds into the register as well as my custom actions.

Originally Posted by -BW-

FYI #1
When purchasing a rifle from someone who has not registered: Technically this is an activating event for them - the seller - but the buyer is not required to record/provide their details to the registry, so they are effectively ignored by the registry and can continue being unregistered if it is their choice to do so, and not the buyers obligation to pursue. I confirmed this recently when purchasing and registering another rifle.
FYI #2
When registering a rifle that was not previously registered: Do not make the mistake of ringing the ‘transfers’ line as I did, the operator will go into a flap because the seller is technically required to notify the registry of the sale, who then contact you (the buyer) to complete the transfer. If you as the buyer initiate the transfer, they will get confused because it will potentially create an additional duplicate entry onto the system, which apparently is a ‘problem’. This scenario is predicated on the assumption that the seller is fulfilling their obligation of activating circumstances. If you believe the seller is not going to do this, just ring the registration line (not transfers) and register the firearm. You don’t have to provide any information of where it came from, or who the seller was.

I've been considering the "FYI#2" point, and the potential implications of it. If this is correct, then potentially the entire registration database is a lame duck. What you are suggesting is the same as what someone else has mentioned - that the same firearm could end up being erroneously registered to two or more 'tickets' due to no automated crosschecking function and failures in the transfer methodology in the database.

Originally Posted by No.3

I've been considering the "FYI#2" point, and the potential implications of it. If this is correct, then potentially the entire registration database is a lame duck. What you are suggesting is the same as what someone else has mentioned - that the same firearm could end up being erroneously registered to two or more 'tickets' due to no automated crosschecking function and failures in the transfer methodology in the database.

I keep my nephews firearms here because he cannot have them at his house. When he thought he was doing the right thing by registering his 30-06 which I had already registered to me I recieved a phone call the next day from the authority asking for clarification. So somehow they did pick it up.

Originally Posted by -BW-

FYI #1
When purchasing a rifle from someone who has not registered: Technically this is an activating event for them - the seller - but the buyer is not required to record/provide their details to the registry, so they are effectively ignored by the registry and can continue being unregistered if it is their choice to do so, and not the buyers obligation to pursue. I confirmed this recently when purchasing and registering another rifle.
FYI #2
When registering a rifle that was not previously registered: Do not make the mistake of ringing the ‘transfers’ line as I did, the operator will go into a flap because the seller is technically required to notify the registry of the sale, who then contact you (the buyer) to complete the transfer. If you as the buyer initiate the transfer, they will get confused because it will potentially create an additional duplicate entry onto the system, which apparently is a ‘problem’. This scenario is predicated on the assumption that the seller is fulfilling their obligation of activating circumstances. If you believe the seller is not going to do this, just ring the registration line (not transfers) and register the firearm. You don’t have to provide any information of where it came from, or who the seller was.

Thank you, interesting to know

I was curious as to how they were going to smooth the path for bringing unregistered guns in

They'd be mad not to allow people to register guns, But to be honest I expected more red tape than what you described

I was surprised that the FSA aren't pressuring - or even asking - buyers to provide the details of the seller that they purchased the firearm from. Maybe its done this way with the intent of encouraging more registration, and potentially to get firearms they may have been held unlawfully by unlicensed individuals, into the system. A sort of amnesty I suppose.