Thread: Some of my Combat Shotguns

Originally Posted by Paddy79

That did not involve shooting there for that was inappropriate
and yes I own rifles in both A and E oh and I also have my B and own pistols
But as the heading of this site says hunting and shooting, many old 303s on here have killed people yet dozens drool over those very firearms on this site so if some one wants to say this gun shoot this many or these people they are allowed too

It involved threatening to harm or kill someone with a weapon, also the kind of thing we probably don't need on the forum, I'm sure an arms officer would be very interested in comments like that coming from a licensed firearms owner. There needs to be a line drawn in the sand where yes, it's ok to take an interest in militaria and firearms of all types, but asking for a discussion on what's better for shooting people should cross that line. This is exactly why I don't like that idiot Miami and am glad he seems to have finally got the hint and left this forum to whinge about how we are such a bunch of sissys on all the American black gun forums.
I don't see anyone asking what it better to shoot someone with, a 303 or a 1911?

Originally Posted by csmiffy

well this is getting messy quick...

You know what else is probably pretty messy?

Stabbing people

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

You know what else is probably pretty messy?

Stabbing people

hammers...hammers are messy.
And axes...

Originally Posted by Ryan_Songhurst

I think you will find that most cars have a shotgun or ar15 or both in the boot, it's not really convenient walking around with a long gun full-time.

Is it really in the best interests of the forum to be discussing the pros and cons of weapons for use against other human beings? A necessary evil they may be, but here is probably not really a place for that discussion

Hi Ryan, The reason I asked the question about Police issue shot guns in the US was because Miami said of his Rem 870 express magnum " … six years as my patrol cars trunk gun... ".
I have rightly or wrongly made the assumption that he served as a police officer and carried a shot gun. Without that statement I would not have raised the question. My question is directed at saving lives not taking them.
I along with many others have been concerned for some time with fatal shootings of offenders by the police when a means of non fatal restraint is many times perhaps more appropriate. Hence the use of Tasers here which have also not been without problems.
Is a shotgun easier to point and use with rubber buckshot for non lethal restraint - shooting legs for example, especially by new officers rather than a Glock pistol. I don't know but suspect it would be. If I saw enough conclusive evidence from overseas I would certainly make a submission to the Minister of Police.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Hi Ryan, The reason I asked the question about Police issue shot guns in the US was because Miami said of his Rem 870 express magnum " … six years as my patrol cars trunk gun... ".
I have rightly or wrongly made the assumption that he served as a police officer and carried a shot gun. Without that statement I would not have raised the question. My question is directed at saving lives not taking them.
I along with many others have been concerned for some time with fatal shootings of offenders by the police when a means of non fatal restraint is many times perhaps more appropriate. Hence the use of Tasers here which have also not been without problems.
Is a shotgun easier to point and use with rubber buckshot for non lethal restraint - shooting legs for example, especially by new officers rather than a Glock pistol. I don't know but suspect it would be. If I saw enough conclusive evidence from overseas I would certainly make a submission to the Minister of Police.

If there was conclusive evidence you wouldn't have to make a submission, there are plenty of far more experienced and knowledgeable people overseeing such things.

Which fatal offender shootings are you talking about in particular?

Originally Posted by Savage1

If there was conclusive evidence you wouldn't have to make a submission, there are plenty of far more experienced and knowledgeable people overseeing such things.

Which fatal offender shootings are you talking about in particular?

The Steven Wallace case is one I have never forgotten.
In relation to private firearms ownership, fatal shootings by the police do not improve the publics perception of firearms or the police force. Look what has happened in the US with mass street protests following fatal shootings of members of the public who were mistakenly thought to be armed.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Hi Ryan, The reason I asked the question about Police issue shot guns in the US was because Miami said of his Rem 870 express magnum " … six years as my patrol cars trunk gun... ".
I have rightly or wrongly made the assumption that he served as a police officer and carried a shot gun. Without that statement I would not have raised the question. My question is directed at saving lives not taking them.
I along with many others have been concerned for some time with fatal shootings of offenders by the police when a means of non fatal restraint is many times perhaps more appropriate. Hence the use of Tasers here which have also not been without problems.
Is a shotgun easier to point and use with rubber buckshot for non lethal restraint - shooting legs for example, especially by new officers rather than a Glock pistol. I don't know but suspect it would be. If I saw enough conclusive evidence from overseas I would certainly make a submission to the Minister of Police.

Wonder if this has ever been trialed. Works for several types of wild animal, why not on crazed meth heads?



Black nets for Miami JBT of course.

Originally Posted by Cordite

Wonder if this has ever been trialed. Works for several types of wild animal, why not on crazed meth heads?

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Black nets for Miami JBT of course.

But if one of the weights hits a bystander or the perp, then "there aint no coming back from that..." but I like your idea. Looks intimidating, Its safe cos its orange, only downsides is it is a bugger to reload in a hurry and it wont fit on the officers batman utility belt for quick response.

how reliable are those kel-tec ksg's though ?

Originally Posted by timattalon

But if one of the weights hits a bystander or the perp, then "there aint no coming back from that..." but I like your idea. Looks intimidating, Its safe cos its orange, only downsides is it is a bugger to reload in a hurry and it wont fit on the officers batman utility belt for quick response.

Didn't that happen years ago when some of the deer recovery lads tried to net one of their mates and one of the weights hit him on the head and killed him?
Anecdotal and legendary so if wrong I will stand corrected.
More user friendly weights are being used now perhaps anyway?

I’ve seen a female weighing in at maybe 65kg easily resist four burly cops attempting to restrain her; she was completely out to it on angel dust (pcp).

Likewise pepper spray. Works on 9/10. Number ten is the one who gets angrier

Tasers have a similar human resistance element; it just pisses off some unique and scary characters.

Having faced numerous intoxicated/drug affected individuals in my past, I can certainly attest to the lack of pain/fear shown by such individuals; their pain thresholds are off the scale and incapacitating them efficiently is the mantra.

All of this is to say I’m uncertain a net gun meets criteria

Originally Posted by csmiffy

Didn't that happen years ago when some of the deer recovery lads tried to net one of their mates and one of the weights hit him on the head and killed him?
Anecdotal and legendary so if wrong I will stand corrected.
More user friendly weights are being used now perhaps anyway?

@csmiffy

Dang! I already wrote to the police minister.... (-: Not.

Yes, thought about the weights too, but just had to post that pic. Me civilian no stand near crazed meth head, no.

Suppose range required is less if for a human close up. Smaller net, smaller/less dense weights, smaller charge, etc.

The problem with you Cordite, is that you have never gotten over your childhood obsession with Spider Man !!

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

The problem with you Cordite, is that you have never gotten over your childhood obsession with Spider Man !!

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