Thread: Advice for a novice and his friend

Originally Posted by Ruff

No I train them.

Let's not bullshit anyone. No dog gives a flying fox terrier about a vibrating collar. They react to that, or the sound, because of the electric shock administered directly after. Any other explanation is pure BS!

Before you engage too far i will tell you this... I am a commercial of trainer of 20 years experience. I never used any electrical collar training aid of any kind, I do not hurt dogs, I don't beat dogs, I do not administer physical corrections anyone could condemn... anyone! I do know and can demonstrate, treat training doesn't work, clicker training doesn't work, positive reinforcement training doesn't work... but they all sold the concept for money to millions of people. But i can show you hyped up, energetic gundogs trained to do their job to the best of their genetic predisposition and do so under complete control and co-operation with their handler... Yeah, nah, really, I can show you that.

If you dont use positive reinforcement how does the dog know when it is doing what you want? I dont have a dog or train dogs so genuine question.

Originally Posted by Gibo

If you dont use positive reinforcement how does the dog know when it is doing what you want? I dont have a dog or train dogs so genuine question.

You might be misinterpreting "Positive Reinforcement"! All styles of training contain "Positive reinforcement" it is obvious to communicate with a dog that for it it to understand what was expected that when it did it, you acknowledge it.

That's not "Positive reinforcement Training". Positive Reinforcement training" is a stand alone methodology that ignores all bad behavior and only acknowledges the good. It's LaLa land stuff. It's like the IRD collecting tax by sending thank you letters to those who pay and ignoring those who don't. Dogs ain't real smart, but they ain't dumb.

You are 100% correct, you positively acknowledge good behavior, but that isn't, by definition, "Positive Reinforcement Training". Good question.