I have found that a lot of people want a dog to take hunting, not a dog to hunt with
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I have found that a lot of people want a dog to take hunting, not a dog to hunt with
hhaaaaaaa true ! Toyota not Porsche drivers eh lol:fighting:
What kind of moron has a porche for hunting? :D
If you didn't want speed and range, why would you get a setter, or a pointer for that matter? There are plenty of other breeds to suit that job. Watering them down with show blood is a moot point
a styley one,probably would wear tweed to:XD:
Good for standing on a peg.
Pointer there are many tracts of land hunted that dont suit a setter as much as it might suit a different breed .Aesthetics and romnce comes into the equation also
Real hunters have short wheel base models.... :omg:
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El Borracho, the setter bitch you mention has back behind her twice a Master Hunter, but what will she be bred to? If bred to show that has no proven working ability your chances of a reasonable pup fall even further.
Also if you did get a pup and breed to NZ working lines you would then have an outcross.
Remember there are and always has been two distinct types of English Setter, the Llewellan and Laverick. One is mostly show, one is working.
No doubt you can combine the two and get a good working pup if you ran the most likely ones on and chose carefully.
The real question is why would you bother?
Pointer had there been no Bitches to breed from I would take that bitch at no problem at all !!! And I would also encourage someone to buy it still .We dont have people breeding enough Setters here at all -try to buy one in NZ -you cannot .
I would entertain training a Show Setter if I had to and if it could point I would make it into an animal with manners and hopefully with time ability .The fact is I have a new bitch coming so its kinds mute for sure but If I didnt it would be here!
Maybe there's not many being bred here because there isn't demand?
I repeat...
Think of the recipe this way... 1lb shit, mix with 1lb Beluga cavier... stir well... you essentially still have a bowl of shit. You haven;t improved the shit and you have ruined the cavier.....
A lack of setters is not a good enough reason for anyone to breed a crap litter of them. And to conduct your experiment, unless you have the nads to cull everything but what might work out after running on you are going to be inflicting the rest of the litter some poor unsuspecting bugger...
Next time you have a thought... Let it go..... :D
El B if it was that bad, then why wouldn't you get a locally bred show bitch to start with? there was a litter not long ago. Personally I would follow your route and get working stock, there is no excuse for taking a step backwards.
Ryen, they are not being bred due to the people behind the setters, not the dogs themselves. I think there would be enough interest for a litter every so often. Obviously if you pumped out puppies like the trademe vizsla/gsp crowd then you will have trouble selling them, but from what I have gathered talking to people there is always moderate demand for a well bred working pointer or setter
That is it when you talk to ES breeders.
EL b you seem to be planning a few litters but have you been involved with trying to sell a litter in NZ yet?
I have 8 dead keen but that is after about 3 years of networking.
The good setters in nz naturally adjust there rang depending on cover so there should be no reason to breed a slower dog really.
Good point, there is a young setter here, while a different colour to yours, who will spaniel in the tight and open up in the clear, seems to be a trait of setters in general. You have to remember, they were the HPR breed before the term was invented.
As for selling pups, I'd imagine half of each litter would end up in Aussie?
luckily the ES seems to be flavour of the month in oz. So it seems they will take the excess at the moment but again you wouldn't want to just asume.
Don't get me wrong. I would love to see more WELL BRED ES in the field. It is just a hard market here.
HARD MARKET , that could well be true CMORE I think it more of a style thing -we have it the others dont !!:thumbsup:
Dream on :)
The Parekowhai's have the Hei Tiki line (35+ years) and don't have a website - they don't even have a computer. :)
Lyn's family in Australia also bred ES - ?La Salle - and looking at http://www.williewalker.net/dogarchi...s.php?id=19233 she has continued to breed very true to that type.
Did you mean the Willie Walker Eng Setter Database or that she breeds true to type. I was referring to the fact that there are old photos on that database and the look of her dogs hasn't changed from those on the database - no breeding for the latest 'fad' like we've seen in the show lines.
And I was wrong about her family having the La Salle line. There is a tie up with La Salle but the family line was Wendover.
I always thought Wendover was strictly Irish Setters.