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Originally Posted by des oneile

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Basso, Oksby Basso (Imp. DK.) by Toften's Chris X Oksby Blanka.

It has taken a while but after a recent spell of form which either coincided with our trip to England or was maybe manufactured during our trip to England, and all those grouse, Basso won The Irish Pointer Club's Confined Open Stake today Sunday 18th August 2013. It is of course the old No.42 bus scenario as yesterday he had been fourth in The Northern Ireland Pointer Club's Open Stake at Glenwherry.

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Congrats Des.

Congrats Des and well done Basso

Well done Basso!!!

Des, can you please explain what a confined open stake is.

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Des, can you please explain what a confined open stake is.

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All of the breed Clubs run "Confined" stakes that are restricted to their own breed. Being the Irish Pointer Club this one was restricted to Pointers.

The term "Open" Stake can be confusing. In GB & ireland an Open stake is one where the result counts towards the dog gaining it's title of Field Trial Champion. Basso earned four points towards his Irish title. He needs twelve points in all, plus a minor show award to prove that he has two balls and only one head.

Historical note.
There used to be only two "Confined Stakes" in Ireland. Grouse trials run by The Northern Ireland Pointer Club, in the North and The Irish Pointer Club in the South. The first dog to win both in the same year was F.T.Ch. Prince of Darkness owned and handled by a very handsome chap from Bangor. There are now three confined stakes in Ireland as The Irish Pointer Club run a confined pheasant stake as well. The first dog to win all three in the same year was F.T.Ch. Bone Apart bred by the same handsome and distinguished chap from Bangor.

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handsome and distinguished chap from Bangor.

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and who was this chap?? ;) Seriously though, well done to you both.

Dogs have never been on my "want" list, I haven't got the patience, but gotta say they are impressive, many years ago when I had a few acres I had both an English setter and a pointer, but just as pets. Good reading thanks

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Originally Posted by des oneile

plus a minor show award to prove that he has two balls and only one head.

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Des any background on why there needs to be Show accomplishment (Of some sort) to become a FTCh? Any rationale they've set up the system that way, what is suppose to achieve?

that it conforms to the standard

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Originally Posted by el borracho

that it conforms to the standard

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Correct, ElB, as with the Epagneul Breton in France, he must have an Excellent in the showring to gain his field title and if he is to be accepted by the breed organisation for consideration as an elite sire.

Which has nothing to do with the question for Des. My apologises!

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Originally Posted by el borracho

that it conforms to the standard

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Dunno about that one... I'm sure it is exactly as Des mentions, to check it has a pulse.

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Dunno about that one... I'm sure it is exactly as Des mentions, to check it has a pulse.

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I quite sure the original idea was as El Borracho said and if you think about it to get any sort of award the dog "should" conform to standard. I would have to say though that I have seen some dodgy ones get through. A pointer with one crig and an English setter with a bottom jaw like a mantle piece.

So they should, if they're good.